Contractors and in-house teams bait track areas. Cleaners remove more than 90 tons of garbage a day. And riders leave tons where it belongs. But a lot ends up on the tracks as a feast.
"Do they see the problem getting better worse or better? They'll tell you it's getting worse," Perkins said.
One ongoing problem is that garbage bound for the trash train waits on platforms or in transfer rooms. The MTA has sealed openings to block rats. But Perkins would like the rooms to be baited routinely. The agency is studying it. He also thinks he has a broader answer.
"We recommend to them what we know is taking place in other places, like Washington, DC, other countries, where food is outlawed on the public transportation system," Perkins said.
It's a tough call where food vendors supply rental income. But Perkins is taking his case to the platform.
"Should we stop eating on the subways and the buses?" asked Perkins.