Illegal immigrants will be able to obtain driver's licenses under a controversial new policy to be announced today by Gov. Spitzer, The Post has learned.
Under the change, the Department of Motor Vehicles will no longer require applicants provide Social Security numbers or proof that they are eligible for Social Security cards, a source said.
ILLEGALS U-TURN
Instead, the DMV will accept valid foreign passports, previous state driver's licenses and other verifiable proofs of ID that would be considered on a point-based system, the source said.
Following 9/11, then-Gov. George Pataki in 2002 issued an executive order requiring driver's-license applicants to show a Social Security number to prove their residency status.
Those who oppose allowing illegal immigrants to obtain licenses argue it is a threat to national security.
Well, duh.
Graphic from NY Post
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What is next, construciton crane operators and surgeons with foreign credentials?
Tweeding tweeding tweeding and a government out of control.
How about spending taxpayers money on something useful like campaign reform?
all I know is that when I went to renew my licence a couple of months back at the Jamiaca DMV I had to present a porfolio of proff, consisting of about 12 different documents, including an original copy of my CA birth certificate. Even then they gave me a hard time, making me speak to two supervisors before finally cutting me a break and granting me a licence.
So much for using licenses as valid ID. We all know that immigrants walk around with bogus paperwork. Use it to sustaniate a bogus license.
The point is the machine is getting desperate - their tired policies is turning off the American public. They are using the immigrants as a substitute.
All we need are a few examples were crimes or worse were made possible by this stupid move.
In the long run, they will simply alienate the American citizen further.
Democrats are soft on terrorism. Just another example. Rudy!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Give any potential crooks or terrorists easier access
to everything.....drive out the middle class....
tweed the existing voters.....and import new votes for the machine.
Spitzer is a buffoon a turncoat
and a traitor! (But that really doesn't surprise me)!
A legislator once proposed that your
social security number should serve as the basis of
creating a national ID to be used for everything
from driver's licenses to proof of ID at election time to prevent voting fraud.
That lawmaker was promptly crucified for this intelligent proposal.
When the heck did this become a forum for immigration issues? Stick to what you know, Queens CRAP!!!!!
What do you think is behind the crap you see in Queens? Wake up!
Tweeding is in the subtitle of this blog. Immigration issues are perfectly topical. Unchecked immigration is what is destroying Queens.
Unchecked immigration is what is destroying Queens.
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Well, it plays an important role, along with two or three other factors, but the real underlying problem is a one party clubhouse that runs the boro for the benefit of honest graft.
And sorry boys, we will talk about those things we want to talk about in a time and place we choose.
This is America, and thats the way we do things here.
Get used to it. You should see a lot more of this in the future.
This new unchecked policy could allow the illegals to register to vote on the same application for a drivers license. Spitzer is an asshole!
No, Spitzer is a politican that is a product of the process, and a beneficiary of an apathetic public.
There is a problem with undocumented immigrants because the Government has created too many obstructions to coming here legally. Ther are millions of undocumented immigrants living in the US and working as your nanny, food service worker, or even doctor. There is no way that you will be able to send them all back to their native countries.
The mission of the State DMV is not to enforce immigration laws. DMV's mission is to test people's abilities to drive and ensure vehicles are road-worthy. If these immigrants no longer have licenses, they are not going to stop driving. You will just have many unqualified people driving on the road who, because they were never properly tested, may injure or kill other motorists or pedestrians. Do you really want that?
Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Many of these immigrants are living in old houses ten to a room, not in new developments. Developers are exploiting zoning laws written decades ago before the recent immigrants. The current zoning laws were written by the ancestors of many on this blog. Blame your parents, not immigrants, for the mess you think you have.
PS If you think immigrants have it so good in this City, would you switch places with one?
"What do you think is behind the crap you see in Queens? Wake up!"
Crap, I see you're continuing to promote your racist, anti-immigrant agenda. Immigrants have made this city into the greatest city on earth. Everyone in this country is descended from immigrants. Blaming immigrants for your unhappy, miserable life will do nothing except make you more miserable.
"Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard."
Illegal immigrants live in illegal apartments. Fedders crap is usually built in tweeded neighborhoods and bought by absentee landlords who then rent to illegal immigrants. Remove the illegal immigrants from Queens, and bet you that the "affordable housing crisis" disappears. Illegal immgrants also do not pay income taxes yet benefit from city hospitals, schools, infrastructure, etc. If you are for illegal immigration, you are for breaking the law.
"Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard."
Really? Who do you think is overtaxing the electrical and sewer systems?
maybe when another bunch of illegal immigrants blows up manhattan again, you'll change your attitude.
Promoting illegal immigration opens us up to terrorism. Not a smart move.
O, come on! The yuppies that post on this blog love illegal immigration. Why pay a nanny or a housekeeper a living wage when you can just exploit them?
Drivers licenses are used as identification to ride on airplanes. Yes, let's issue illegals licenses so they can turn more planes into bombs.
"Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Many of these immigrants are living in old houses ten to a room, not in new developments."
Yes! I am sure they are building all of that ugly new crap in Corona for native New Yorkers, because that's exactly the type of housing that they would want to live in. Wow there are some real morons out there.
I am disappointed by Gov Spitzer...
he did not include giving a car to each illegal alien.
Think that these folks will have or afford vehicle insurance once they do obtain a vehicle on their own?
Not a single Crapper spoke a syllable against immigration. As usual, Crappers spoke out against illegal activity encouraged by politicians: entry across our border (try breaking and entering).
As for racism: The illegal aliens take jobs far below minimum wage. Minorities born and raised here - and who actually speak our language are deprived of entry-level jobs by these illegal aliens hired by lawbreaking employers. Who are the racists?
No need to deport the illegals. Vigorously enforce the laws against hiring illegals and the illegals will go home. Our citizens will have opportunities to work. Politicians will be required to deal with actual citizens rather than the illegals they hope to enroll in the parties to vote against us.
Crappers hardly have nannies - citizens or illegals.
Will Spitzer fly an airplane filled with foreign passengers whose ID was a NY Driver's license? Or, will he stick to private jets and the NY State Government owned planes he continues to lie about? Does he prefer that other citizens take the risks he refuses to take?
Here's a thought: we all boycott flying until the airlines force the feds to reverse Spitzer's arrogantly dangerous order.
Many undocumented immigrants do pay income tax using taxpayer IDs because they want to improve their chances of becoming a legal immigrant. They also buy goods and services, paying sales tax, and many of their children work or will work, helping to pay your social security when you retire.
I agree that anytime you add population, you tax the infrastructure, but how about the mutiple 52" plasma TVs that many houses have, or the $99 air conditoners in every room of a house. Do you think undocumented immigrants can afford this on what they earn? They also can't afford to live in the new developments. More likely they are living in the basement of some retiree who needs extra income.
If you think denying a license to a terrorist will stop them, you live in lala land. Also what about our home grown terrorists like Timothy McVeigh, Terry Nichols, white supremacists, anti-government types, militia members, eco-terrorists, people who hate corporations, violent anti-abortionists and black and brown nationalists who envision a separate state for blacks and Latinos.
Check out this passage from a USA Today article:
"Not a lot of attention is being paid to this, because everybody is concerned about the guy in a turban. But there are still plenty of angry, Midwestern white guys out there," says U.S. Marshals Service chief inspector Geoff Shank.
Shank, who is based in the Chicago area, says the concerns about domestic terrorism range from anti-abortion extremists who threaten to attack clinics and doctors to some violent biker gangs that may be involved in organized crime. And the FBI said in June that eco-terrorism — acts of violence, sabotage or property damage motivated by concern for animals or the environment — was the nation's top domestic terrorism threat. The bureau said then that eco-terrorists had committed more than 1,100 criminal acts and caused property damage estimated at least $110 million since 1976.
Alleged terrorist plots by U.S. citizens are not new, but many of the recent conspiracies were overshadowed by 9/11 and the hunt for terrorists abroad. Most of the foiled plots didn't get very far. And few got much publicity. But there were some potentially close calls, such as the scheme by William Krar, an east Texas man who stockpiled enough sodium cyanide to gas everyone in a building the size of a high school basketball gymnasium before he was arrested in 2002.
Shank, whose unit mainly searches for fugitives, including some wanted on domestic terror-related charges, led the manhunt for Clayton Lee Waagner, 48, of Kennerdell, Pa. Waagner was convicted in December of mailing hundreds of threat letters containing bogus anthrax to abortion clinics in 24 states. During his trial in Philadelphia, prosecutors documented Waagner's ties to the Army of God, an extremist group that believes violence against abortion providers is an acceptable way to end abortion.
There are bad spples in every group.
"They also can't afford to live in the new developments. More likely they are living in the basement of some retiree who needs extra income."
They can afford to live in the new pieces of crap being built by absentee landlords who add extra units beyond what they should. And illegal units are part of overdevelopment. Thanks for proving that point.
Because Queens has become the bedroom borough
(better make that dormitory borough)
for immigrants (many of them being illegal) !
Are you (or your blog watchers) listening Hillary?
Remember that next time you mouth off
with your loosey-goosey rhetoric
promoting irresponsible immigration practices
in the USA....just so "Billary"
can import some more machine votes
and destroy our quality of life in Queens!
Do you have any migrant Mexican day laborers (relieving themselves in the gutter)
right in front of your Chappaqua home ?
We're going to remember that on election day!
I don't think that the title
of "Madam President" is in the bag for you....
tucked right next to that bundle
of Norman Hsu's cash!
I like the point that Che made that because there are nutty Americans out there that commit crimes, we should open our borders up to more people who commit crime. Let's be fair. Excellent reasoning.
"Many undocumented immigrants do pay income tax using taxpayer IDs because they want to improve their chances of becoming a legal immigrant."
I'd be interested in seeing the stats on that. Oh, wait, we don't have any because we don't have any clue as to how many people we allow in.
There is no way that you will be able to send them all back to their native countries.
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Very easy, drain the swamp that created them, and they will head back into the same direction they came from.
Their countries needs their work and skills.
And far as I am concerned, its bullshit for you to say that certain jobs are for immigrants - as a kid I did landscaping and dish washing and enjoyed every minute of it - only in third world countries are dark skinned people relegated to the crap jobs.
In America, no job should be considered to low for Americans. We are a proud nation of labor ready for any task.
If these immigrants no longer have licenses, they are not going to stop driving. You will just have many unqualified people driving on the road who, because they were never properly tested, may injure or kill other motorists or pedestrians. Do you really want that?
NO, BUT IF AN ILLEGAL IS PULLED OVER WITH NO LICENSE, THEN HE CAN BE DEPORTED - AS THE LAW STATES!
CHE said...
" ... Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard. Many of these immigrants are living in old houses ten to a room, not in new developments. Developers are exploiting zoning laws written decades ago before the recent immigrants. The current zoning laws were written by the ancestors of many on this blog. Blame your parents, not immigrants, for the mess you think you have.
PS If you think immigrants have it so good in this City, would you switch places with one?"
I married an immigrant. I am the child and grandchild of immigrants. Oh, wait! They are/were legal. That's why we call them immigrants. Illegal aliens are another matter. Here on the Crapper, we really prefer straight talk. Giving pleasant names to lawbreakers doesn't make them no longer lawbreakers.
Crossing the border illegally makes you a lawbreaker and an illegal alien.
If these illegal aliens are living ten to a room that's because they're taking jobs from citizens here at far below a living wage. Working while being an illegal alien is another crime. Both the illegal alien and the employer are committing a crime.
Taking money in the form of welfare - hospitalization, schooling, sanitation, Social Security, etc. is a crime if you are an illegal alien.
Speaking of crappers again, when ten or more illegal aliens crowd into a room, apart from the easy spread of disease, there's the use of the toilet by all those illegal aliens to deluge our water and sewers. Can the politicians ever comprehend the danger? No. They are too busy hiring illegal alien nannies (and raping them when needed) and recruiting illegal voters using illegal documents to obtain illegal driver's licenses.
The fix? Dump the politicians and impose terrorizing punishment on employers who hire illegal aliens. Start with your own neighborhood. Boycott all businesses that employ illegal aliens. How to know who's guilty? Use common sense.
maybe when another bunch of illegal immigrants blows up manhattan again, you'll change your attitude.
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I am afraid this is exactly what will happen. Remember the anarchists? Bombs on Wall Street and assassination attempts at industrialists not only got them deported, but slammed the immigration door 100 years ago.
The same thing will happen again. A few more 9-11s (which will happen, no doubt) and the door will slam shut so fast your teeth will rattle.
When immigrants start to destroy more than what they can be exploited, and by doing so, lose their support from the major parties, the politicians will move 180 degrees.
"Blaming undocumented immigrants for overdevelopment is one of the dumbest things I have ever heard."
Who works for $80 a day so that low end developers can afford to rip down old homes are replace them with Queens Crap? Union workers?
Illegal Immigration and Queens crap building are tied together as an issue. First the illegals must work off their debt by those who bring them here to work in their cash buisnesses. These slaves have to be housed and Queens is a much better, cheaper alternative - keep them out of Manhattan. Once here the slaves are give a mat amongst many other people. Here they can disrupt legal neighbors services with huge amounts of garbage, noise, prostitution, overload sewers and crowd in front of my house after dark. They hang their rags in front of the house, walk around in pajamas and flee if they see a patrol car. Oh, they cook like crazy in multiple kitchens, overload their electricity - I live next door to this crap - they endanger my own family's life because the city ignores or turns a blind eye to this in Queens. The slaves don't know any better because they live better than wherever 192 countries they came from. Diversity yes - legal yes - ilegal NO. Shoot them crossing the border - they could be terrorists!
" they endanger my own family's life because the city ignores or turns a blind eye to this in Queens."
One of those quality of life troublemakers standing in the way of tweeding as we build up that solid base needed to sustain honest graft.
They used to be called "wet backs".....
now they use tunnels to crash the US border.
I'm getting a little tired of seeing about 40
drunk day laborers in a three block stretch
making lewd comments in Spanish to passing women
and puking on the corners of buildings!
And the NYPD refuses to enforce the law!
All part of the ultimate plan folks.......
dissolve the borders and create
The Unified States of The Americas....
which, I suppose, will eventually include
from Canada through South America.
This is to compete economically
with the European Union.
Only Chavez is standing up to this future
all encompassing colonial plan.
The reason why Spitzer can steamroll through such dangerous proposals is because he knows that he will easily be reelected.
Until this state's GOP can get back on its feet, and there is a viable third party alternative, the Democrats will assume they have the mandate for this dangerous legislation.
ILLEGAL ILLEGAL...... Try doing something ILLEGAL and you'll be put in jail. Why are we allowing people from foreign lands to break our laws staying in this country on the sneak.
And issuing drivers licenses to ILLEGAL immigrants gets my blood boiling. I bet most will drive without insurance. How would they get auto insurance? So watch out.....don't get into an accident with an illegal.....we all will pay with higher auto insurance rates.
Spitzer is an a@@ h$$$.
Paying taxes....they know all the loopholes....earned income credits....head of household...splitting the children between relatives with the same last name. It is a shame how they work the system.
Yeah......
smart move Gov.......
give some terrorist a new license to kill!
My cheap neighbor once hired an illegal immigrant
to work on his house at the going rate of $80 a day.
The worker knew the system well.
He deliberately slowed down
so he could milk the job for an extra 3 days.
When he was told after 2 days
that his work was shoddy and had to be ripped out
and that he wouldn't be paid extra to do that.....
the illegal worker promptly replied
that he was going to contact the Dept. of Labor.
My neighbor replied that he would contact Immigration and Customs Enforcement.
The illegal was paid the full wage owed, with no further dispute and dismissed.
Both sides were wrong in this case....both trying to screw each other.
In the end ou get what you pay for.
The whole job had to be redone by a skilled laborer with American citizenship.
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