Thursday, December 27, 2007

New York lost 1.5 million people since 2000

How 'Bout That Growing New York Population

More people are leaving New York than any other state, new population estimates from the U.S. Census show, making it one of America's most stagnant populations.

Experts blame the exodus — nearly 1.5 million people have moved out of New York since April 2000 — on high property taxes and fewer jobs, among other factors.


Census Shows Many Leaving New York

"Basically what you have is a high-cost state that isn't producing a lot of jobs," a senior fellow at the Center for an Urban Future, Joel Kotkin, said.

A middle-class population, which Mr. Kotkin said includes skilled blue-collar workers and families making $120,000 a year, is leaving the state because of a combination of high taxes and fewer available jobs, he said.

The Census study said New York's population grew by about 1.7% between 2000 and 2007, and now stands at about 19.3 million people. The population has grown slightly, according to the data, because birth rates are higher than death rates and foreign immigrants continue to pour into New York City.

The Census Bureau now ranks New York the eighth-slowest-growing state, behind Massachusetts, Michigan, Pennsylvania, Ohio, Rhode Island, West Virginia, North Dakota, and Louisiana. Although no new data are available for New York City, researchers say the city has fared better than the state because foreign immigrants are replenishing its population. This year, for the fourth year in a row, the city has successfully challenged the federal Census Bureau's annual population estimates, raising its official population count by more than 36,100, to more than 8.25 million people.

Experts warn, however, that the city and the state may be losing a generation of young professionals who are balking at the high cost of living in New York.

18 comments:

Anonymous said...

Turn a blind eye to the incoming illegal aleins pouring into NYS because we spend so much money on services for them. After all Hospitals by law cannot turn them away, businesses that pay high NY taxes hire these folks to remain competitive to stay here. Gov. Spitzer want to give these folks driver's licenses to keep them here. The rest of us savy folks are taking our buisnesses south for the last 30 years, retirees are escaping the high property taxes to places and States that want our buisnesses and taxpayers seeking relief, saftey and reasonable taxes. Current citzens whom must remain, know that growth is not sustainable, jobs are diminishing or moving overseaes and taxes are killing them. NYC & state is a land of the rich and at the opposite spectrum the poorest of poor to serve them or to be kepted at bay from storming the rich folks gate. THE MIDDLE FOLKS pay for both.

kingofnycabbies said...

There's a lot about this that makes no sense, including, sorry to say, your headline. Are we losing 1.5 million a year, or have we lost that many in almost eight years? And are we actually behind Lousiana, post-Katrina? And what evidence is there that young professionals are not moving into New York? In the city, they're the ONLY ones moving in.

Queens Crapper said...

No, they aren't the only ones moving in. It says in the article that foreign immigrants are coming in droves (including illegals). I fixed the misleading headline. Thanks.

Anonymous said...

Reember, the machine runs this place for THEIR benefit, supported by the media playing to the gullible.

Look at Hillary. Just moved here to establish residency, gets elected, then disappears. Anyone comments? Naw.

Who cares who moves out. The are complainers asking for accountability and demanding impossible quality of life things that make a politician's life impossible.

Those moving are being replaced by tweeded immigrants who don't vote, or if they stay and set down roots (no matter how shallow), then they vote the 'right' way.

You got the very rich who treat the city as a stage set for their little fantasies. And foreign money that is volitile.

A real strong base.

Anonymous said...

The immigrants coming to NYC are a good thing. They keep the population younger and they add to the economy. Several objective studies have reached these conclusions. And the vast majority of "illegals" in NYC are not criminals, entered the U.S. legally, and are seeking citizenship because they want to be Americans.

Queens Crapper said...

Who said it was a bad thing? And the vast majority of illegals (all of them) are still illegal no matter what kind of happy face you try to put on it.

Pat said...

"seeking citizenship because they want to be Americans"

The ones I have come across are here to send money back to their families because as weak as the dollar is, its still a lot of money in a third world country.

Pierre L'efant said...

I for one think its very generous of the United States and NYC in particular to take on the burden of other countries' criminals. It's no coincidence that the "Operation Impact" areas for next year are in Corona, Elmhurst and South Jamaica...

God Bless America!

Anonymous said...

Buffy and Bentley who will drop $10,000 on an afternoon shopping spree don't want to pay too much to have the grass cut or their kids watched. We therefore need illegals.

Anonymous said...

"And the vast majority of "illegals" in NYC are not criminals"

How do we know this? The cops aren't allowed to ask when they collar someone whether or not they are here legally.

kingofnycabbies said...

Thanks for clarifying the headline for me, QC. As to the immigrants, you're right, but we don't know if they're arriving at a faster rate than before; if not, the trend stays unchanged. Certainly in Manhattan and its suburbs--LIC, W'burg, DUMBO--it's only very well off yupsters.

But I challenge the logic of the original piece, anyway. If my bank account shows an increase in funds at the end of the day, even with greater outlaying of $$$, aren't I better off? The census has us going up, and their numbers always undercount anyway, so the figure has to be higher. Isn't the end result more people, period?

Not to say the numbers couldn't decline in the future, as they did in NYC from the '50s to the '90s.

Anonymous said...

Please notice this article is about census figures for New York STATE ... the CITY has grown since the last census ... as the Mayor's Office can certainly tell you.
Take a trip upstate to Buffalo, Rochester, Syracuse, Utica, Albany, etc ...or even to the close-in suburbs and you'll see and hear why people are leaving.

Anonymous said...

"the CITY has grown since the last census ... as the Mayor's Office can certainly tell you."

yes, because we are a sanctuary city and they really have no idea how many people moved in, they just know its a lot.

ken said...

"This year, for the fourth year in a row, the city has successfully challenged the federal Census Bureau's annual population estimates, raising its official population count by more than 36,100..."

Why would the city go to this trouble? Can they get additional funding from the state, or government, for a higher population count or something?

Anonymous said...

Because it looks good for the city if the Feds back up their claim that the population is growing. Otherwise, 2030 is just a pile of horsepucky.

Liman said...

There is no question about it. New York has been sold by politicans who crave campaign money from real estate interests and construction, healthcare & public worker unions. The taxes get higher, the cost of living gets higher, but jobs are squeezed out (you'd think at some point these special interests would be negatively affected by this trend, too - but it hasn't happened yet). I've seen too much. I am disgusted with Albany and the City government. It's worse than you think.

Anonymous said...

The immigrants coming to NYC are a good thing. They keep the population younger and they add to the economy. And the vast majority of "illegals" in NYC are not criminals, entered the U.S. legally

Immigrants are a good thing for America; of course as long as they entered our country legally.
However the illegal immigrant are now criminals for breaking laws by entering illegally! Border jumpers or disappearing after tourist or student visas is illegal which violates Federal laws. What is it, that you don't understand the differences between the term illegal and immigrant? The NYPD should be compelled to check for legal residency - make this city still safer.

kingofnycabbies said...

Round and round we go. It could be that the "Times" piece linked below is further proof of this trend--or maybe the opposite. The couple cashes out, but they're hardly "young" professionals. And it is worth noting that their place sold within two hours of the first open house. Now if only we knew the age of the buyer...

http://www.nytimes.com/2007/12/30/realestate/30cov.html