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This one is a tragedy...it's a beauty of a house that was a great Colonial Farmhouse Revival-style building (not an original farmhouse, but something that evoked one) directly behind the Ahles House, the last Bell mansion left in Bayside which has been calendared by the Landmarks Presevation Commission but not designated a landmark yet due to opposition from Councilmember Halloran.
The owner SPECIFICALLY sold his house to a builder - it was marketed only to developers. This was not an accident, people.
The zoning is R4A, which is better than what it used to be (R4). There can only be 2 detached two-family houses on the property, which is better than the "10-family" house that the poster put up as being potentially being built there.
Still: it sucks big time and will have a lousy effect on that block, for sure. And, it is - soon to be was - a really beautiful house.
Paul Graziano
Gotta accommodate
the the emigrating teaming Orient, etc.
That's why this kind of shit is happening.
I believe that it's the United Nation's "Agenda 21"
which is partially responsible for all of this too..
The increasing world population
puts the squeeze on neighborhoods all over the globe...AND WE must do our fair share...
in providing new living quarters for immigrants!
Better check your zoning
where you plan on moving to, Bill.
Your part of Bayside
was obviously zoned for higher density.
Once again...BUYER BEWARE..
.before you place a down payment on a house!
Coucilman Halloran is a drunkard...a womanizer...besides being just a simple asshole.
Make sure that "doofy" Dan doesn't get elected to Congress,otherwise that God complexed neurotic
will be screwing us BIG TIME!
Are you reading this Chrissy?
I echo your sentiment - Elmhurst has become the gold standard of crap - no where to go but out of here!
but not designated a landmark yet due to opposition from Councilmember Halloran.
This is a problem - and we will say it over and over again until everyone wises up.
The landmarked areas, dependent upon our councilmen to landmark their areas, will do nothing, absolutely nothing to help the other 90% of the city.
We need to have civic leaders with the backbone to take them on. Until that happens, you will be like Edith Bunker whimpering in a corner.
No one important cares what you say or what you think until you grow a backbone.
Coucilman Halloran is a drunkard...a womanizer...besides being just a simple asshole.
Make sure that "doofy" Dan doesn't get elected to Congress,otherwise that God complexed neurotic
will be screwing us BIG TIME!
AND GRACE MENG WILL DO BETTER?
I believe that it's the United Nation's "Agenda 21"
which is partially responsible for all of this too..
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And Bloomberg & Company are following the script word by word!
Any doubts? See how it relates to the Willets Point debacle.
They are doing this all over Rego Park, there are no garages or parking spaces being built and the streets just can't accomodate the exta vehicles. Our schools are busting at the seams..what are they thingking?!
"This is why I'll be leaving Bayside"
And where is it that you will be going? Eastwards? Westward?
You don't think that this will follow. You can't run forever from this situation and the reason this reason even starts in the first place is because of backsliding compromisers such as yourself.
This beautiful home is in my immediate neighborhood. As has been noted here, it sits directly behind the historic Ahles house, built in the 1870's by the Bell family (and namesake of Bell Blvd). I gladly would have rallied for it's preservation.
But after obtaining the full support of then CM Tony Avella, the Bayside Historical Society, Sen. Frank Padavan, Assemblymember Anne-Margaret Carrozzo, and BP Helen Marshall to have the Ahles house landmarked ... plus attending the LPC hearing with members of the Historic Districts Council present and 20+ civic leaders testifying to the Ahles house significance to Bayside history and bearing individualized letters of support from 100+ citizens ... the LPC has yet to designate the Ahles house.
Paul DiBenedetto
President, Bayside Historical Soceity
what is the location of this site ?
there is a house owned by an elderly couple between the Capital One bank lot and the telephone company in Bayside ,that has been sandwiched by a new four story apt. bldg. and a new office bldg.in construction presently. approx 215 st /bet.Northern Blvd /43rd ave.
this can not be stopped. you either sell or get sandwiched.it is difficult to landmark commercial sections of a town.more bars and restaurants are needed........
this is what occurred in the Flushing,Union st./Franklin Ave .section in the 1960's to the present.
do you really think government socialists give a dam about OLDER historical properties, when the democrat government just HI-JACKED $716 Billion from SENIOR CITIZENS MEDICARE coverage (that was paid by decades of their payroll fica/ssi contributions)?
Seniors on S.S.I will now have to be subjected to an "end of life"seminar by a government appointed bureaucrat, in 2014.
there is more ,but by now you should know the rest.
Halloran did nothing about Tommy Huang's illegal project on 223rd Street.
He is of no "good" use to the community. He obviously has his own agenda.
When given the choice of fruitcake tea party Halloran or Grace Meng.....yes I think Meng would do a better job!
the 223rd street huang development was begun 10-15 years ago, in East Bayside . if you must bash a G.O.P. (minority) CM ,elected in 2010, at least get your facts correct. who do you think you are Obama?
Anon No. 12:
Nice try, Gramps. Irrelevant to this issue.
the 223rd street huang development was begun 10-15 years ago, in East Bayside . if you must bash a G.O.P. (minority) CM ,elected in 2010, at least get your facts correct. who do you think you are Obama?
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You're the one that needs to get your facts straight, Gramps.
Maybe you need to up your intake of meds because,as usual, your knee-jerk defense of any GOP-er is getting in the way of reality.
When the next door neighbor - who has spent an astounding amount of her own money trying to stop Huang from destroying her property and life - asked Halloran for assistance, his response was "You should just let him finish the project and get it over with."
Everry other elected official - Democrat or Republican - that the owner went to either helped (and continues to help) or at least wrote letters to the Department of Buildings and other agencies.
Halloran told the owner to forget about it, and hasn't been of any help since.
That's the facts, Jack. Wake up!
Wasn't Mike Abel the council member 15 years ago?
...and once again, the Queens Crapper has hit it on the nose.
Mike Abel, a Republican, was CM for a decade until 2002.
That in your 10-15 year window for the project start, Gramps?
If he wasn't, it was right after he left office, Crapper.
since the Huang demolishing of the original site house and groundbreaking began many years ago,if the Queens machine politicians (dem and g.o.p.) could not stop Huang then, what would you have Halloran do ? the fire exit road was added and the five structures were already finished in 2010.
another letter would solve the problem ? did Avella, Padavan,Carroza,Schulman, Marshall, win the day for E.Bayside ? why is not Braunstein on your hit list ?
maybe Gillibrand,Ackerman and Schumer could have written a letter also?give it a break...you libs are really ill.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/qnscb11/downloads/pdf/newsletter-oct-2012.pdf
New variance application for Mia Drive. Hearing on November 5th. Community Board 11.
does the house have any historical significance other than being built in the style of an old farmhouse and being located behind the Ahles house built by namesake Bell family?
Not really.
It's a vernacular colonial....a dime a dozen.
If you want architectural stability then your only real solution is to move into an LPC historic district.
Bu bear in mind that your replacement windows will wind up costing you about $1,000 apiece
You can't have your cake and eat it too.
. the LPC has yet to designate the Ahles house.
Paul DiBenedetto
President, Bayside Historical Soceity
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hey Paul, if your councilman is against it Jesus counldn't get it landmarked.
Get your buddies over at Queens Civic to grow some and challenge the Landmarks Law.
They might get spiteful and you lose the house, but it will be the last house use loose.
Trust me.
the house to be possibly demolished is located at 39-23 212 St., Bayside.a few properties next to it are 60'x 100' or more.
there is a multiple dwelling already ,on the block.
both of these properties are 3/4 of a block walk from the Bayside L.I.R.R. station.
the Village of Bayside will go the way Flushing East /South has.
"the Village of Bayside will go the way Flushing East /South has."
It already has !
You will notice how "Crappy" the neighborhood gets and by then it's too late.
WTF RU talking about?
"Flushing East"....
especially the Broadway North section...
is doing just fine.
With its R1-2A zoning...as exclusive as Riverdale's...
you won't see a 4 family house replacing anything.
And not all of Bayside will be lost...
only the R-4 zoned properties that have single family homes on them.
You must hail from Ass-toria, bub....
to be so misinformed!
You're just jealous of our quieter life out here.
Why not move out here,
instead of moving your verbal bowels on line?
For the record, CM Avella was in office when the Huangs 223rd Street project began.
I say, give credit where credit is due.
The Senator to this day continues to be "pro-active" in supporting his constituents efforts in their fight against the Huangs. Over the years, Senator Avella has personally met with adjacent property owners harmed by the Huangs. He has listened to their stories. He has visited the "unsafe and illegal" construction sites on a number of occasions at the behest of the neighbors. He has held press conferences keeping the Huangs in the news. He has tried to help address the many horrendous conditions that exist at the various sites. He has written letters to various agencies on behalf of the adjacent property owners.
The Senator has publicly spoken out about the Huangs' illegal and unsafe construction practices, the NYC DOB's inability to due their job and the NYC BSA's uselessness.
At the present time, the Huangs (once again) -- have no active permits -- for the 223rd Street Project -- and their are no certificates of occupancy for any of the houses.
Stop work orders are in place at their site on Queens Blvd. where the fatal collapse occurred.
For the record, this is where CM Halloran comes into the picture with regard to the notorious Huangs and their 223rd Street project:
CM Halloran was in office in 2010 at the time the Huangs filed an Application at the BSA for an extension of time to complete construction on their (then, illegal and still illegal)223rd Street project.
The matter, along with the relevant supporting facts, as to why the Huangs were not entitled to get their permits back, was brought to the CM Halloran's attention.
Surely, it was reasonable for one to expect that this would be the type of fight that CM Halloran would gladly welcome taking on. After all, shouldn't he want to win against the Huangs and the BSA.
After all, we are talking about the "notorious" Huangs who have terrorized the citizens of Queens for far too long. We are also talking about the BSA who rubber stamps everything "pretty much" that comes before them. This is a useless agency that needs to be disbanned. They have over the years aided and abetted the developers, thereby harming the citizens of Queens.
In the end, did the CM disappoint. Yes. Was more expected of the CM? Yes. Were we entitled to have him put forth his best efforts? Yes.
It was sad to learn that the CM actually believed that it would be best for the community, the neighborhood and the adjacent property owners to allow the Huangs to get their permits back; finish the job; get their certificates of occupancy and move on?
Clearly, that is not what you would have expected. Nor was it something you wanted to hear. Certainly, we did not agree.
Why would you want to reward the developer for abusing the NYC Codes and other relevant laws?
Why would you allow the BSA to grant an application for vested rights when the "initial permits" were not valid and lawfully issued?
How could one knowingly allow certificates of occupancy to be issued on houses of "questionable construction" and "questionable stability"?
You can't.
Can't help but notice that the ones that usually come out against landmarking by invoking the property rights argument are the first ones to bitch when a temple or day care center opens up next door to them as if property rights don't also apply to those entities. If they can't build it, they can't come, and they generally can't build it in a landmarked neighborhood.
has any NEW construction project in Queens ever been demolished ,after the fact ? will DEM. Avella accomplish this ? the G.O.P. in NYC is impotent . 49 D.I.N.O. Vs 3 G.O.P.in the City Council. the city agencies are all D.I.N.O. also. give your "THEM VS. US B/S" a break. look in the mirror, it is your fault.your past corrupt NYC government enabled it.
i recall in the 1970's, a civic leader called for the demolishing of the bankrupt hi-rise (BAY CLUB in Bay Terrace). the open bays development were there for many years, before it was finally completed.
I don't know whether any new construction project in Queens has ever been demolished in its entirety. Perhaps, someone else knows the answer to that question.
The Juniper Park Civic Organization and Senator Avella scored a victory against the Huangs in Maspeth. They were made to remove an illegal 4th floor from a newly constructed building. I believe they also had to remove an illegal extension.
That was an accomplishment to be applauded. BRAVO!
http://www.junipercivic.com/PressReleaseArticle.asp?nid=45
Yes, DOB has forced developers to tear down entire buildings. Here's an example: DOB forces developer to tear down shitboxes
There is hope. Thanks crappy for the information.
Caliendo and Costa are cut from the same cloth. Both have worked for Tommy Huang. Caliendo may have had first dibs on the 223rd Street project. Both of these architects do not deserve to keep their NYS licenses. Why have they been able to?
Huang is not entitled to a variance for his 223rd Project. He was not entitled to get his permits back under the common law vested rights doctrine.
The audacity of those Huangs. The BSA approved their application for "vested rights" on the initial permits which were not valid and lawfully issued. Now, I guess they think that they are going to get a variance on the same "initial permits" that were not valid and lawfully issued.
Ain't happening! Seriously, we cannot let that happen.
Anon No. 33:
Yes, most recently in the Rockaways. Someone thought it would be a great idea to build houses on the Rockaway Freeway and Beach 104th Street - right between the the sewage treatment plant and a school - and started to build. They were stopped before the houses were completed and those houses are now gone.
Anonymous said...
"WTF RU talking about?"
I'm talking about the end of middle class neighborhoods. It takes years if not decades to destroy once proud civic minded nabes. Richmond Hill, Flushing East & South and now Bayside all coming to a "Crappy" demise.
Anonymous:
"the 223rd street huang development was begun 10-15 years ago, in East Bayside . if you must bash a G.O.P. (minority) CM ,elected in 2010, at least get your facts correct. who do you think you are Obama?"
This sounds personal?
I know who I am.
Anonymous: You sound like you don't know the FACTS about the development or your CM. Some of us do.
"since the Huang demolishing of the original site house and groundbreaking began many years ago,if the Queens machine politicians (dem and g.o.p.) could not stop Huang then, what would you have Halloran do ? the fire exit road was added and the five structures were already finished in 2010.
another letter would solve the problem ? did Avella, Padavan,Carroza,Schulman, Marshall, win the day for E.Bayside ? why is not Braunstein on your hit list ?
maybe Gillibrand,Ackerman and Schumer could have written a letter also?give it a break...you libs are really ill.
What would I have Halloran do?
Best case senario, I would have him STOP HUANG. In the real world, at least try.
The CM is getting a "second" chance to speak out about the Huangs and the project. Let's hope he has the time.
Does it mean because the other lame politicians, except for Senator Avella, did nothing -- he should do nothing?
Padavan did not want to fight Tommy -- he turned out to be a total disappointment.
For the record, there are 7 structurs and an illegal and dangerous access road. A road built on fill. A road that must hold the weight of FIRE APPARATUS VEHICLES.
The houses have sprinkler systems "that may or may not work if ever needed" and chimneys that had to be cut back (but still haven't been cutback in size according to code) and (temporarily, more than likely, until certificates of occupancy are issued) turned into "closets" on the interior. This is no joke.
You see, the Huangs and their architect did not "allegedly" build even close to what the CODES require.
That is building code; zoning code; and yes NYS building code (it applies because of the proximity to Little Neck Bay) and they did not observe the NYC laws.
The CM's brothers are FDNY -- the road is meant to be an "emergency access road". It does not meet the FDNY CODE. Does that not matter?
Perhaps, the CM can get the FDNY to look into the matter.
At the very least, he should have attended the BSA hearing and spoke out against the project.
If I recall correctly, he wasn't at the CB 11 Board Meeting. Did he go to CB 11 Public Hearing -- or once again did he send an underling.
Shame on the CM. It would appear as though he had no interest at all in "taking on" Tommy Huang and fighting this "illegal" project.
@ FlushingRepresenter
The problem here is that as much as people who care about Bayside and it's (dwindling) suburban character, developers and others are carving out the remaining pockets worth saving. NYC has no interest in controlling Queens' growth...they simply want more tax money.
How many more "Medical Office Buildings" and 2-4 Family "Luxury Homes" can really be needed?
When I say I am leaving Bayside, I do so with a heavy heart as this is where I grew up. It's sad to see what has happened here..and yes..will continue to happen...the DOB and BSA...and elected officials are enamored with money..not quality of life.
How can you pretend to want more jobs when you oppose development?
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