Monday, May 16, 2011

Let's not respond but say we did

From the NY Post:

Queens cops were called to a fight that ended with one sister killing another -- but never made it to the home because of other Mother's Day mayhem that appeared more urgent, police sources said yesterday.

In a bizarre twist, one of the 911 calls that sidetracked the officers was a nearby street fight involving a crazed woman attacking another female, the sources said. That suspect turned out to be the sister, who, in earlier, unrelated case, had allegedly carved up her sibling, cutting off her nose and ears.

The cops are under investigation, sources said, but it appears that the night's craziness was to blame. The 911 operator also is being probed over whether she failed to make the call a higher priority.

The sources said cops first got a 911 call about an "argument" at the Baisley Park Houses apartment that Sharon Lee Hill, 58, an ABC Studios employee, shared with her younger sister, 41.

But the two cops assigned that call got another for an "assault" around the same time, which took priority.

After busting that suspect, one of the cops went back out to another assault -- the one that turned out to involve Hill's sister. She was hospitalized as disturbed.

A 911 operator later asked one of the cops about the Baisley Park call and seven others he'd juggled. The cop told probers that in his confusion, he mistakenly told the dispatcher the Baisley Park call was unfounded.

Cops went to Hill's apartment the next afternoon, after another sister found the body and called 911.


Marking calls as "unfounded" when you never responded unfortunately is standard operating procedure for the NYPD. And sometimes the results are not pretty.

20 comments:

Anonymous said...

What part of "mistakenly" did you not understand, Crappy the Cop Hater?

Queens Crapper said...

Yeah that's what the cop said to cover his ass. Do you really think it was a mistake? Cops intentionally mark calls unfounded all the time to clear complaints out of the system. This time, they chose the wrong one. I am not blaming the cop so much because this is the result of not enough police. They are only doing what their COs tell or pressure them to do.

Anonymous said...

"unfounded" = we took enough calls for one day. Gotta keep that number low so the Capitan can get his promotion!!!

Anonymous said...

You can thank Bloomberg and Kelly for not retaining experienced cops and for not hiring new ones. The cops in this city are overworked. Take a look at the size of their "Patrol Guide" to get a grasp of the amount of their responsibilities, and the gauntlet of procedures they have to follow for each incident. Then tell me two or three cars per tour can adequately handle the amount of jobs thrown their way.

Anonymous said...

Yeah that's what the cop said to cover his ass. Do you really think it was a mistake?

Maybe that's true. But yes it could have been a legitimate mistake as well. If the cop who was recording the jobs in his memo book wasn't on top of his game, recording the final dispositions with a note about which job and location it goes with, then he'd have a series of job codes followed by or interspersed with a series of finals. With multiple assigned jobs and nothing to note if the final was already read back to the radio dispatcher, it becomes hard to match which final belongs with which job.

As to not responding to a location and marking jobs unfounded, you're really showing your age, Crappy. Or you know someone who was a cop a long time ago. Over the last 10 years or so, paranoia about IAB set up jobs and the extreme what-if scenerio have been drilled into cops' heads since the academy that almost no cop would dare do that anymore. The days of 90-Xing a job from a bar are long over.

Queens Crapper said...

Not true at all. It's still being done. I won't even get into the 311 complaints. You can't say a car blocking a hydrant is "unfounded" 15 minutes after I call it in if it hasn't been moved and you never showed up...

Anonymous said...

The cops are overworked there is no question about that, however it is a common occurance that the jobs given, especially for
311 are marked unfounded when they exist and really need to be dealt with.

Look at the map of 311 calls for the police on the 311 website for noise, illegal parking etc. Almost all of them are marked unfounded.

I know I have called them for commercial vehicles parking overnight taking up all the parking and about half the times it was marked unfounded even though the vehicles never moved.

Anonymous said...

As to not responding to a location and marking jobs unfounded, you're really showing your age, Crappy. Or you know someone who was a cop a long time ago. Over the last 10 years or so, paranoia about IAB set up jobs and the extreme what-if scenerio have been drilled into cops' heads since the academy that almost no cop would dare do that anymore. The days of 90-Xing a job from a bar are long over.

Absolutely true. IAB continuously sets up officers with bullshit calls, found property, suspicious packages, etc. Give it a break Crappy. You have a clear distaste for the NYPD for whatever reason. You and your followers believe every single stereotype that just isn't truth anymore.

Anonymous said...

Does IAB set up 311 calls, too?

Anonymous said...

Does IAB set up 311 calls, too?
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Yes. And even if you want to debate that, there is no doubt that they WILL after this incident.

Anonymous said...

Alot of times a 311 job is marked unfounded because the situation has been corrected before the police response (cars blocking driveways or hydrants move before the cops get there), or has subsided for the night (a club or party shutting down or a noisy neighbor sutting their radio off). They are low priority jobs, and I would rather have the cops respond to robberies, burglaries, car jackings etc before noise complaints and blocked hydrants.

Queens Crapper said...

So would I. But it's their job to respond, not to lie about doing so. If I am sitting on my porch looking at a car blocking the hydrant and find that they marked the call unfounded when they never showed up I have the right to be upset.

Anonymous said...

Not only that but if they are found to be lying about responding to calls then God knows what else they are lying about...

Anonymous said...

One minor problem though, nobody has hed proven that the cops were lying. The cop involved in this incident said he mistakenly marked the job. Given their work load, I can understand and believe that until someone proves otherwise.

Anonymous said...

A lot of cops are on take bullies.
They should be issued rubber guns.

Anonymous said...

"Not true at all. It's still being done. I won't even get into the 311 complaints. You can't say a car blocking a hydrant is "unfounded" 15 minutes after I call it in if it hasn't been moved and you never showed up..."

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Crappy, your 311 parking condition aside since somehow you seem to have seibel access, how can you be that sure that 911 jobs are being marked by cops who never went to the location? You seem very certain about this. Do you have a handle on the rant?

If you or anyone here do have proof of this, or just your suspicions its being done, then report it to IAB at 1-(800)PRIDE PD, 1(800) 774-3373. It can be done anonymously if you prefer.

Queens Crapper said...

I am certain about this because I have sat next to complainants as they called in 911 crime-in-progress complaints and then listened on the scanner to the cops 90X it. You can choose to believe this or not, but I know what I witnessed.

Anonymous said...

"If you or anyone here do have proof of this, or just your suspicions its being done, then report it to IAB at 1-(800)PRIDE PD, 1(800) 774-3373. It can be done anonymously if you prefer."

Great idea in theory. What will happen is iab will go sniffing around for a few months, mabye disipline a few cops, leave, things will be on the straight and narrow for a few more months and then everything will go back to the way it was and the person who made the original complaint to iab will be figured out and they will have hell for years to come because they will be called a rat.

Anonymous said...

It was not a 311 call! It was a 911 call can we please READ!!!!

Anonymous said...

Let's cut another 1000 cops from the force!