Wednesday, February 24, 2010

When will we finally bury Queen Catherine?

From the Queens Chronicle's trivia contest:

Answer All Three Questions

1. What year did the U.S. Open move from Forest Hills to Flushing Meadows Park?

2. Name three famous musicians from Queens.

3. Who is the borough of Queens named after?


Okay. 1 and 2 are easy. But 3 is a trick question. What they probably want you to say is that Queen Catherine of Braganza is the person after whom Queens is named. But that would disqualify you. Why? Let's consult an expert. From the NY Times:

Jim Driscoll, vice president for history at the Queens Historical Society...

"I never really understood the Catherine-Queens connection," he said. "She probably didn't even know Queens existed."

Catherine was no ordinary royal: married to King Charles II of England, she was a Portuguese princess whose family benefited from the slave trade and persecuted Jews in Europe. The borough was supposedly named for her.

Behind the planned removal [of her portrait from borough hall] is a widespread, if contested, belief that Brooklyn, or Kings County, is named for Charles II and that Catherine, his wife, served the same role for Queens. Historians say these stories are unproven, but many residents of Queens say that, regardless, Catherine should not be a symbol of a borough that bubbles with cultural diversity.


And from Wikipedia:

Although some have claimed that Queens, a borough of New York City, was named after Catherine of Braganza, her name is not mentioned in the first 200 years of historical documents that have been preserved in the county archives. She was, however, queen when Queens County was established, alongside Kings County (Brooklyn) in 1683.

I'll explain this simply...

"Queens County" is named after the title, not a particular queen.
"Kings County" is named after the title, not a particular king.

Just as...

"President Street" is named after the title, not a particular president.
"Governors Island" is named after the title, not a particular governor.

Get it?

The entire Queen Catherine movement was nothing more than a Claire Shulman tweeding effort. Sadly, they are teaching this shit to kids in school (see p. 92).

Make sure that when you enter the contest, you put the right answer!

14 comments:

Anonymous said...

I don't know about past history, but Queens should be named after El Exigente (the mexican coffee guy with the burro/borough).

stinky said...

"Queens County" is named after the title, not a particular queen.
"Kings County" is named after the title, not a particular king.

I'll go with the above as everyone else here attests to. Also, get rid of the ugly statue of Kathrine - is is a pretender is all. Shame on Shulman for concocting this stuff and wasting our image which is troubled enough.

Anonymous said...

Shame on Marshall but letting this slave mistress on the offical boro website!

Happy black history month to you!

Missing Foundation said...

This reflects the attitude that the borough's leadership has towards you - if they concede even something this trival, who knows where it will lead?

Considering the entire structure rests on false assumptions, and a very strict policy of keeping everyone in the dark on what is really going on, you can dig up the Queen herself and drag her before 'tha bhoys' - she would be ignored like the rest of us.

Anonymous said...

Can't we just sell that statue to Portugal and call it a day?

Snake Plissskin said...

Can't we just sell that statue to Portugal and call it a day?

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NO! Considering that a new tweeded population of Brazilians are growing in Astoria, and considering how f*cked up that community is (quite the distinction when you can say that about almost any community in Queens) she will be back - I think the plan was a 5 story statue that (with the base) will be almost as tall as the Statue of Liberty.

If the blacks object, Claire suggested a statue of Sojurner Truth next to it.

The possibilities are endless - an entire pantheon of tweeder heros - a few Kennedies, Roosevelt, Mao, Harriet Tubman, Jackie Robinson - the clubhouse equivalent to Mt Rushmore.

Only thing that would stop it would be Manhattan residents pissed they have to face an eyesore, cause we know the polite doormats of Queens will bleat some excuse of impotence.

Anonymous said...

Claire's lookin' like shit herself these days.

I think she got a free trip to Portugal through Manuel e Sousa, executive director of The Friends Of Queen Catherine.

Anyway, after foiling the Port Authority and examining some documents years back....I spotted a photo of that bovine bitch Queen Claire which looked like it was taken in Lisbon or someplace.

Sorry I couldn't read Portuguese to clarify this.

Sousa was pulling down about 250 Gs a year for doing what?


Looks like he was just a well connected ponce from Provincetown.

Anonymous said...

FYI:
That statue was never completed.

If there's any portion that was actually cast (many of the molds were crushed)...it lies in shambles at the Talix foundry in Beacon New York.

Sorry ("artise") Audrey Flack-hack....go back to painting your photo realist...uh...."art".

You are certainly no sculptress!

Anonymous said...

When I first met Helen Marshal I though she was just an old Jewish yenta with that teased to the sky bird's nest hairdo of hers..

I'm blacker than she is after a few hours in the summer sun.

Anonymous said...

That statue was never completed.

If there's any portion that was actually cast (many of the molds were crushed)...it lies in shambles at the Talix foundry in Beacon New York.

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dont kid yourself...no one has seen it crushed.

sssshhhheeeiillll be back!
trust me.

Babs said...

wow what a sculpture! beautiful!

no one answered question no. 2 - let's see if we all know of different famous Queens musicians! That'll be fun I think anyway - ok my three are:

1. Leslie West
2. Kiss members
3. Simon and Garfunkle

(ok. - that's really more than for those that are counting) :)

Anonymous said...

Did I miss something, or was there no mention of that giant statue in the posting? That statue is more interesting than the bo-ring story.

Babs said...

No one wants to play along I see - that means then of course that I WIN by default . . . . hee hee hah hah.

Anonymous said...

Oh come on, how freaking PC can people be! Mozart was known to have expressed antisemitic sentiments. Shall we ban his music in our schools? There are place names in Boston, Mass. that are 200 years old, named after people who had slaves or condoned slavery. Shall we change those place names? You'd be pretty hard put to find prominent people in our history who didn't have one fault or another. Honor them for whatever good they DID do and be glad that we've somewhat progressed socially. We KNOW better. They often did not, yet they are still part of the human experience that gave us the world that we have today, including the good stuff that we take for granted. (p.s. Stinky - "King's County" most certainly WAS named for Charles II. The City of New York and various historical societies attest to this.)

- Nicholas