From NY Magazine:Mayor Bloomberg, along with Representative Peter King, wrote an August 4, 2008, editorial arguing that cigarette sales on reservations should be taxed—one line insinuated that cigarette-smuggling money might go to terrorists. Chief Wallace is still riled about it. “We got blamed for the MTA deficit! Phenomenal, man. Supporting terrorism. It upsets me because this is our land, whether we occupy it or not. It’s still our land, and we defend our homeland against all enemies, domestic and foreign.”
On August 25 of this year, a federal-court judge in Brooklyn handed down a verdict addressing the Unkechaug’s motion to dismiss. Federal Judge Carol Amon denied the motion and ruled that the state appellate court had misinterpreted the law in question. She ruled that regular tax law indeed applied to the tobacco trade on Indian reservations, as it does everywhere in the state. She issued a temporary injunction banning all further cigarette sales at four stores identified in the city’s suit. Chief Wallace and the Unkechaug appealed. On September 25, the court announced that though the appeal would be heard, the injunction would continue. But that leaves ten other smoke shops in the Poospatuck reservation, and the cars are still backed up around Squaw Lane. “The city will go after every dollar that is owed to city taxpayers,” said Bloomberg in a statement.
Wallace is far from ready to smoke the peace pipe, however. He says it’s the same as it was with whaling in the seventeenth century. “The goal here is not to stop us from selling cigarettes,” Chief Wallace said. “It’s to try and destroy us as a people, because every effort that we made to resolve these things has met with resistance. They don’t want to do it. They want to take it as far as they can to try and kill us.
“They need a scapegoat for not blaming his friends on Wall Street,” said the chief, his tone slowly rising. He began pacing in circles, literally hopping mad. “Who is a convenient scapegoat? The smallest tribe in New York, selling a demonic product—that’s a good scapegoat.”
31 comments:
I can't see how the city has any authority here. After all, Indian Reservations are sovereign nations, and this one is not anywhere near New York City. If anyone should be bringing suit, its the Town of Brookhaven.
We could always give them blankets covered with smallpox. Wait a minute, someone already did that to the Indians. They act like they were here first. Wait a minute, they were here first. They expect we should treat them like a sovereign nation. Wait a minute, they are a sovereign nation.
I'd like to know how much we pay tobacco farmers to grow tobacco.
I'd like to know what our politicans are doing with the taxes they already steal from us.
The mayor wants all the borough people to stop going to the indians reservations to buy their smokes. He wants us to buy them in the city so he can make money off of us. I say shame on him for trying to bully them. This mayor really needs to keep his nose out of Long Islands business. VOTE HIM OUT IN NOVEMBER!!!
If Bloomberg needs tax revenue so badly then let him foreclose on those deadbeat developers who are delinquent in paying their taxes!
Oh but they're a member of his tribe...the nation of the super wealthy...big medicine.
(Heh, heh, heh) Just scalp hizzoner and be done with it!
What city agency buys or sells tobacco products?
Or fast food?
Or food with sugar?
Or food cooked with trans fats?
Or. ... .
We get the idea.
The Commissar is a crazed madman determined to control taxpaying citizens.
He refuses to control the various city agencies. So, we get the mob running the Building Dept. - they thought DOB was a misspelling of MOB.
Dept. of Finance keeps money that was sent as payment to another agency.
Schools are falsifying student grades.
The Commissar is using city employees (on the taxpayers' dime) to advance his campaign events.
A concrete test firm, banned from operation, is back on the job.
And this miserable, imbecilic, tiny mined moron is now trying to control a sovereign nation.
Give him another term and your home and neighborhood is history.
Dump this freak.
A war was fought. The indians lost.
Thank whatever put Anglo-saxons on this planet.
Bloomberg's not an Anglo-Saxon.
Let us not forget him and his stupid sting for gun control in different states outside of NY. The man is power hungry and very, very dangerous to democracy. November 2009 anyone but the dictator.
The Poospatuck chief should find a cleaner way to make a living.
Gambing and cigarettes are far worse for the Natives' reputation than college mascots.
Instread of using his "sovereignty" to promote vice, he should find another way to raise revenue.
Not that I like the "vices" but if you read the original article, the chief mentioned time after time when his tribe did try "cleaner" ways to make a living, only to have the Europeans shut them down.
The entire square area of their reservation is smaller than one of the large estates in Long Island. They have no hunting grounds, no fishing grounds, no cropland, no real estate to rent. How the heck are they supposed to get by? You try it.
Besides, no one forces you to smoke or gamble and those who choose to have to drive to their reservation. They are not coming here.
Oopsy. I thought my advizerz zaid naive Americanz. My bad!
Anonymous: What's the different between high tax revenue on cigarettes and gambling that is state run? Maybe the city and state should find another way to fund their pet peeves. Last i read tabacco is still legal, but the hate campaign goes on. Why not let a guy make a buck. If anyone should be pissed off at what history has delt them it's the Native American's.
A war was fought. The indians lost.
Thank whatever put Anglo-saxons on this planet
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That would be God , the father almighty, thank you very much! Or should I say I thank God cause you obviously have no faith. Not only am I white, but American too. What about you, are you a make believe American? Ya know, illlegal?
"...this is our land, whether we occupy it or not. It's still our land, and we defend our homeland..."
The "Chief" ought to do some research.
The White Solutrians were here first. Settlers from far across the Great Atlantic Seaway. Originating in Southern France and Northern Spain. These so-called "natives" or rather Beringians - interlopers from the Bering strait - usurped the land from the native white denizens, the original settlers of the copntinent.
Don't fall for the "Chief's" Beringian lies.
BTW A happy Columbus Day to you all.
Hail Columbus! Hail Columbus! Hail Columbus! The Great Explorer and Entrepreneur. The Re-discoverer of the Continent. Some say, subliminal race memory drove him onward. Even the "native" Beringians bow at his name.
I guess a free market economy is reserved only for the powerfully wealthy.
Anonymous said...
"The Poospatuck chief should find a cleaner way to make a living.
Gambing and cigarettes are far worse for the Natives' reputation than college mascots.
Instread of using his "sovereignty" to promote vice, he should find another way to raise revenue."
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Nevertheless, the tribe is a sovereign nation. So, just as your opinion of how France or Germany should be run, you have no say. Your opinion is uninformed.
On the other hand, we, the sovereign people of NYC, voted twice for term limits on office holders.
The Commissar, in his usual arrogance, actually believes that HIS opinions outweigh the DECISIONS of a sovereign people.
Let's destroy this freak of nature's ambitions on November 3.
Dump him.
Dump him arrogantly!
I love to see this scumbag mini midget mayor Hitler come out to Long Island. He could pull up on Flanders road, Peconic or 24 and start spewing this BS in front of those people who have been there 200-300 years
He'd be chaised out, shot at or beaten to a pulp (in that order)in a heartbeat.
--Let him bring his lapdog Kelly.
South Hampton, Riverhead and Brookhaven know better then to stir up 16,000+ people that are already pissed off as hell.
Those Shinnicocks have had up to the ears it with the Bloomberg "Hitler" types trying to steal & tell them what to do.
It would make my day to see Bloomberg or Coumo come out and interfear with them over this matter.
Im with the Chief on this, I also happen to know him.
-Joe
Exactly what makes the Poospatuck reservation as "sovereign" as France, Germany, or Vatican?
Is there a lawyer in the house who can answer this?
Have the Poospatuck tried other ways of generating renenue? Maybe a native arts center, or an educational institution?
Do they really want to be known as the "tribe that sold tax-free cancer sticks" because of desperation?
Most of these Cigaretts, coffee, footwear and trinkets are imported from India and Central America.
Tax is already paid in the import process.
Native American resorvation's are exempt period !
Why does this F_ing NYC Mayor and NYC hack judge think they can rule in Suffolk Country as well as re-write the treaty because they are out of money.
Both need a good ass kicking. How much can the people take enough of this **STEALING** already !!
The Poospatuck sell tax exempt cigaretts, coffee, clothing, artwork just like the Shinnicock and dozens of others.
These assholes are going after them because they are small yet compete with the corperate strip mall and 7-11 down the street and down Sunrise Highway
I also beleive the hacks may be after a piece of that water inlet property to make bid $$ condos as well.
...Oh how great.
Beantown Bastard & friends trying to run Long Island.
Peter King (R)should be working on cleaning up the turd world sh*t polluting his own backyard and school district.
Nothing for nothing but it is not only the blooming idiot of a mayor but philip morris too. That is why I do not smoke Marlboro but choose to smoke the indian brand which I think is better and less expensive. Fuck bloomberg and philip morris.
George Atheist Rand:
Don't fall for the "Chief's" Beringian lies.
BTW A happy Columbus Day to you all.
Hail Columbus! Hail Columbus! Hail Columbus! The Great Explorer and Entrepreneur. The Re-discoverer of the Continent. Some say, subliminal race memory drove him onward. Even the "native" Beringians bow at his name.
OK George. Wow you are a fool.
*Columbus sent expedition after expedition into the interior. They found no gold fields, but had to fill up the ships returning to Spain with some kind of dividend. In the year 1495, they went on a great slave raid, rounded up fifteen hundred Arawak men, women, and children, put them in pens guarded by Spaniards and dogs, then picked the five hundred best specimens to load onto ships. Of those five hundred, two hundred died en route. The rest arrived alive in Spain and were put up for sale by the archdeacon of the town, who reported that, although the slaves were "naked as the day they were born," they showed "no more embarrassment than animals." Columbus later wrote: "Let us in the name of the Holy Trinity go on sending all the slaves that can be sold."
But too many of the slaves died in captivity. And so Columbus, desperate to pay back dividends to those who had invested, had to make good his promise to fill the ships with gold. In the province of Cicao on Haiti, where he and his men imagined huge gold fields to exist, they ordered all persons fourteen years or older to collect a certain quantity of gold every three months. When they brought it, they were given copper tokens to hang around their necks. Indians found without a copper token had their hands cut off and bled to death.
The Indians had been given an impossible task. The only gold around was bits of dust garnered from the streams. So they fled, were hunted down with dogs, and were killed.
Some wonderful revisionist history their George. Tell me about British Australians being the first white people too I imagine you would claim to be on that land. France did not exist then and the white remains your referring to are hotly debated. It was few people also, not whole tribes going back thousands of years in the Dakotas,Arizona, New Mexico, Wisconsin, and New York State.
These kind of europeans simply believe Amerindians are inferior and needed "masters" to teach them. They are of the same school of Heyerdhal, still looking for the Ark of the Covenants.
The fellow who needs other people to do his research is on and about again. How about you check about Indian Sovereignty on your own. Try Google.
If you read history you will learn that the United States has upheld Indian Sovereignty for the last 400 years even while stealing them blind.
In fact, Indians had no lawful right to vote in elections until 1947, presumably because of this Sovereignty.
If Google cannot answer your questions, you might try calling the State Department in Washington or calling the American Indian Museum in lower Manhattan.
But of course, believe what you want to believe, Bloomberg does.
Anonymous said...
"Exactly what makes the Poospatuck reservation as "sovereign" as France, Germany, or Vatican?"
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Treaties with the US government.
Treaties with any nation become the law of the land here. Essentially, a treaty is an amendment to the US Constitution.
The treaty cannot be changed now because it is no longer convenient.
The impudent Commissar is impotent (as usual) to alter any part of the treaty.
We all understand that he believes that he is the most sovereign master, but, we also understand that he is a deluded moron.
Do we really need a deluded, demented, savage in control of this city?
Are we so insignificant that he is the best we can do?
Take control. Dump the demented savage!
fxxk bloomturd and smoke indian brand! cheaper and doesn't have the chemicals of phillip morris..
how your can tell? the ciggs don't go out!!!
Puhleeze..."Big Tobacco U.S.A." has no problem selling its cancer sticks in China...one of the biggest world markets for smokes.
Did you ever see an Asian man without a "cig" dangling from his lips?
Everybody just loves to play Bogart!
Cut the f-----g hypocrisy already.
Bloomberg is always grandstanding out of his jurisdiction...hoping that will divert our attention from the lousy job he's doing in NYC!
Hey...what officially approved brand of toilet paper should I wipe my ass with...your honor!
Der Bloom-fuhrer thinks he has authority over everything.
It's called MEGALOMANIA!
The poor, innocent "native" Beringian?
See the movie "Apocalypto" by Mel Gibson.
I'd be a little leary of Mel Gibson's claims regarding the cultural history of North America.
After all, he tries to be more Catholic than the Pope, and there is something to be said for avoid fanaticism in any sphere of life.
"Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice; moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue." - Barry Goldwater, 1964
The fellow who needs other people to do his research is on and about again. How about you check about Indian Sovereignty on your own. Try Google.
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Sounds good! Site your source once and a while.
Everything on this site is taken from another source. You reference your information on others research ninety percent of the time. You have gone to school correct? Im very familiar with Native American history. Trust me.
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