Monday, September 22, 2008

Bloomie desperate for Council support on Willets

For seven years, Councilman Tony Avella (D-Bayside) requested a meeting with the city Economic Development Corp. president to discuss traffic congestion caused by the College Point Corporate Park.

And for seven years, the agency refused.

But the agency came calling last week - yet all its president, Seth Pinsky, wanted to talk about was whether Avella would support Mayor Bloomberg's controversial plan to develop Willets Point.

With the City Council set to take a make-or-break vote on the project in November, some members of Queens' Council delegation say the administration is starting a full-court press for support.


Queens pols see Mayor Bloomberg pressing for support on Willets Point

A staffer for another Queens Council member said the agency has been calling every two weeks asking for sit-downs - even though two meetings have already taken place.

"They are really lobbying pretty hard," the staffer said, noting that meetings are now being offered with top administration officials. "They are essentially bringing out the big guns."

98 comments:

Anonymous said...

In other words,
Queens is invisible to Bloomie
and his henchmen at the EDC
until they need our councilmembers
to tongue his ass in approval
of land theft at Willets Point!

Now lets see
which of our political "representatives" fights to be
the first to drop to his knees in compliance to der fuhrer's wishes!

Anonymous said...

I hear that Mayor Bum-berg
is offering shares of stock
in Lehman Brothers
(heh, heh, heh) to those council
members who vote yes
on the Willets Point hand job!

Anonymous said...

lets see how fast Hiram's gang of 32 fall by the way side.

I think the Willets plan passes without objection.

Alan Gross said...

I find the photo of the proposed Willets Point debacle to be both ironic and cruel. Several years ago, I proposed that the former Flushing Airport be used for mooring some of the plethora of blimps dotting the NYC skies. As I predicted a decade ago, mooring spaces for airships have dwindled to a precious few that require at least an hour of flight time to get to the city limits. My love of the lighter-than-air craft stemmed from my first encounter with the Goodyear blimps using Flushing Airport in 1964.

An operating company that I was involved with first proposed the concept on my behalf but when the Company did not follow through, I decided to move forward on my own. I met with several elected officials, the EDC, and others at the Community Board #7 office. The community board supported the proposal and it was an annual request in their line item budget with no funding but obvious support.

I thought that something was amiss and approched Councilman Avella as the property was in his council district. He was under the impression that I was seeking funding and advantages over other developers eyeing the property. The airship industry was behind my efforts and it was my suspicions that brought me to his office. Councilman Avella did send me to someone who might be helpful to the proposal. I was stunned and astonished to see the Request for Proposal on his desk!!! I was NEVER notified that it was issued and when I called the EDC, they sent out the requested documents by snail mail!It was too late to create a response.

At this point, I realized that the mayor's office, the EDC, and Bovine Shulman's office screwed me big time! I invested tens of thousand of dollars into my concept which I felt would have brought economic benefit for the city and the local area as well. I created a website www.blimpport.com and left it up in case it ever became relevant again. Many developers who had plans to bring light recreation to the area and felt bad that the city did what they did to me and offered me possibilities of projects that would have maintained the aviation aspect of the former city airport.

Mayor Dumberg chose a Korean warehousing/wholesale project that Councilman Avella and the community fought off because the traffic issues have never been addressed. I attended several CB#7 College Point Corporate Park task force meetings. I even was allowed to tape some of the meetings with my camcorder. That is why when I tell y'all that Councilman Tony Avella truly represents more than just his council district, I come from a position of first hand knowledge. I am hoping that he maintains his high standards and shuns the offerings of a corrupt corporate city administration. I have no doubt that he will.

Anonymous said...

Alan,
the airships look good for the rendering....spiffs up EDC's horse shit proposal dog and pony show.

Come to think of it there ARE NO
REAL PLANS ON PAPER just a pig in a poke for sale to unwary buyers of this Willets Point blow job!

A blimp port would have been great
environmentally friendly attraction to whatever the hell this area winds up as!

Too bad that treacherous cur
Shulman (looking like she's always chewing her cud) didn't want to listen to you.

Well, salude,
at least you tried....
more than some other lazy Queens bums did.

Alan Gross said...

The email address on my blimpport website has been disabled. My email address is airshipal@aol.com if you wish to make direct contact. Thanks and sorry for the confusion.

Anonymous said...

there is a blimp in picture because they fly add over shea / citi and the tennis center .. What use is a blimp port today? Who would use it for transportation? Seems like the equivalant of putting a horse and carraige stable there.. Past it's time and irrelavant

How would your blimp port affect the flights into and out of LGA

Anonymous said...

It was open until 1984 without interfering with LaGuardia.

Anonymous said...

"Seems like the equivalant of putting a horse and carraige stable there.. Past it's time and irrelavant"

Yes, because we never see blimps during sports events like the U.S. Tennis/Golf Opens, the World Series or weekend baseball games.

Anonymous said...

Isn't this a wetland? It should be preserved as one.

Anonymous said...

"Past it's time and irrelavant"

Sounds like Claire Shulman!

Alan Gross said...

Duh! Of course that is what the rendering is supposed to portray. I was using the blimp in the photo as a way to suggest how corrupt the process for development is during the Bumberg administration. In a few weeks, at least one airship port in a major city will be announced and the Company promoting the facility is promoting several more in the near future. Sightseeing is just one aspect of an airship's usage (think Homeland Security) in today's world but you are obviously too obtuse to see the point I was trying to make in the first place. Your name isn't Evan, is it?

As far as airspace, I was in contact with the FAA, LaGuardia control tower personnel, Congressman Crowley's office and others regarding potential air routes that would be used. The communities of north Queens are concerned that the air corridor created for Flushing Airport would be eliminated bringing more air traffic overhead. My question to you is will the city try to affect the current redesign plans because they want to put a massive development project in Willets Point just yards away from the end of one of the runways? I suggest that you think before you post such ridiculous comments. All you did was prove my point that some people post to divert attention from the true and real issues involved.

PS I would like to apologize for a comment I made in a previous post regarding Bovine Shulman. I didn't mean to insult cows.

Alan Gross said...

"Isn't this a wetland? It should be preserved as one."

I 100% agree with this statement. The land has been returned to nature and just clearing the trees and other growth would cost a lot of money, not to mention the mitigation required for any development there. The pre-WWII hangars have been allowed to deteriorate to the point where their historical value has become useless.

At least the property would have had an income stream if I were able to clear the area a decade ago. If the blimpport did not work out, the city would have inherited a cleaned up property. The selfishness of Mayor Bumberg and his cronies is utterly shameless!!!

Anonymous said...

ALl those in favor of more junkyards?

Anonymous said...

so the blimp port would be used for sightseeing? how silly. what are the economics and how many people can you fit on your blimp?
how much insurance do you need incase one of your helium bombs hits the george washington bridge?

what else? probably nothing.

and homeland security? seems like more of a hinderance than a use.

ever hear of helicopters?

Anonymous said...

My question to you is will the city try to affect the current redesign plans because they want to put a massive development project in Willets Point just yards away from the end of one of the runways? I

No.. there is plenty of development around airports even in this city. Have you ever been to Howard Beach? That is a lot closer tot he JFK flight path than Willets and it has managed to stay a vibrant clean community for many many years.

Ask most people from Howard Beach about the airplanes and they'll say "what airplanes"

Alan Gross said...

Hey, it's good to hear from Parkside and the Tweeders. I see tweedledum is trying to get my goat. I guess sightseeing and profitability will only work in the hands of the mayor and his cronies. As an individual who has worked in the airship industry for several decades, I had a feasible plan that was supported by every active airship operating company, including Goodyear.

I guess when the NYC Police Department and federal agencies employed the use of the Fuji blimp for over a week during the Republican National Convention, they were just tweedling their thumbs!!?!?!?! They moored at Floyd Bennett field in Brooklyn but would have prefered a more centralized location such as the former Flushing Airport.

Helicopters are noisy and limited in many ways. For example, they can hover for a short amount of time while airships can stay on station for several hours. The insurance is standard and even when a blimp has a catastrophic problem, the pilot and passenger have a better chance of staying alive than other aircraft and the ship will do a lot less damage!

As far as location, have you ever looked at a map of the area??? The property sits at the end of a runway and not next to it, you twit!!! I've worked in Howard Beach and other areas near JFK and I think you must be deaf because there are times when it is hard to hold a conversation while waiting for the noise to subside. Of course the use of the word vibrant comes up again. I wonder who is posting this crap? Hmmm....

Time to change Granny Shulman's diaper as she seems to be a little agitated.

Alan Gross said...

Hey, it's good to hear from Parkside and the Tweeders. I see tweedledum is trying to get my goat. I guess sightseeing and profitability will only work in the hands of the mayor and his cronies. As an individual who has worked in the airship industry for several decades, I had a feasible plan that was supported by every active airship operating company, including Goodyear.

I guess when the NYC Police Department and federal agencies employed the use of the Fuji blimp for over a week during the Republican National Convention, they were just tweedling their thumbs!!?!?!?! They moored at Floyd Bennett field in Brooklyn but would have prefered a more centralized location such as the former Flushing Airport.

Helicopters are noisy and limited in many ways. For example, they can hover for a short amount of time while airships can stay on station for several hours. The insurance is standard and even when a blimp has a catastrophic problem, the pilot and passenger have a better chance of staying alive than other aircraft and the ship will do a lot less damage!

As far as location, have you ever looked at a map of the area??? The property sits at the end of a runway and not next to it, you twit!!! I've worked in Howard Beach and other areas near JFK and I think you must be deaf because there are times when it is hard to hold a conversation while waiting for the noise to subside. Of course the use of the word vibrant comes up again. I wonder who is posting this crap? Hmmm....

Time to change Granny Shulman's diaper as she seems to be a little agitated.

Anonymous said...

the fact remains that Howard Beach is a vibrant sustainable, clean community in the flight path of JFK airport.

No one cares about blimps or airships. We have airplanes and helicopters now. Get with the times. Putting "airships in Flushign Airport is just about the worse use of resources anyone could ever think of.

What tourists would travel all the way there to take a dangerous, overpriced tourist spin around the area subsidized by federal and state and local agencies (as you suggest in your "proposal")

And you'd have what? 3 or 4 blimps at Flushing Airport with 25 - 30 staff required for each?

that seems like a good use of scarce land resources.

Unless you put up your ajacent hotel like you want to I cant see any real revenue coming from thsi operation.

There's a reason people dont fly in blimps anymore.
Go fly a kite.

Anonymous said...

And you can take down that crappy Blimpport.com website

It looks like a high schooler made it during their summer vacation.

Anonymous said...

Bad Idea.

Who's to say in this Post 9-11 era that God forbid someone could hijack one of your Blimps and fly it into a building?

Sounds like a whole can of worms is opened by having a blimp port. Glad the EDC had the foresight to deny this before a terrorist got their hands on it.

Anonymous said...

Duh...I understand you understand...Alan.

My comment was meant to be sarcastic
regarding the political corruption that abounds in Queens.

After all wasn't I defending your original idea of a blimp port?

Don't get your knickers in a twist.
Everybody's so sensitive nowadays.

Anonymous said...

Why should I take down the site? Does it bother you? It is staying as is for as long as I feel like it. And I will feel like it for a long time.

When it was FIRST proposed about a decade ago, it was feasible. The plan for Flushing Airport is dead, in case you can't read. I supported a previous post suggesting that it stay as a nature preserve. Reading comprehension is obviously not your strong suit. The plan can and perhaps will be pursued elsewhere.

"There's a reason people dont fly in blimps anymore.
Go fly a kite."

Great response. People do fly in airships and where flights are offered, people are willing to pay a premium for the experience. Airships like the Hindenburg are once again being proposed as technology is starting to catch up with the aircraft. They do not exist at the moment but many environmentalists and airship developers are working on new concepts and designs so your suggestion about their relevance does not hold water!


"you can take down that crappy Blimpport.com website

It looks like a high schooler made it during their summer vacation."

Sorry to disappoint but I plan to leave it up there so screw you!!!

Alan Gross said...

Last comment was from me. My computer is doing weird things today. Sorry.

Anonymous said...

to alan gross -

to think anyone from any government office or related entity is even reading your comments is the height of hubris


No one takes yous flim flam ridiculous proposal seriously. Im sure its where it belongs for the past ten years . In someones circular file.


Take it to Iowa or somewhere there are no tall buildings.

Alan Gross said...

When people post anonymously, it is hard to tell where the comments are coming from and therefore, sarcasm can get lost in the mix.

Anonymous said...

e. Airships like the Hindenburg are once again being proposed as technology is starting to catch up with the aircraft.

The same as cruise ships like the Titanic?

LMAO.

Anonymous said...

My computer is doing weird things today. Sorry.

thank heavens you arent in charge of anything important.. Like peoples lives in an "airship" .. oh wait.

Anonymous said...

C-mon fella...
a terrorist seizing a blimp?

You're over-reacting a trifle
aren't you?.

Now if Granny Shulman were to hijack an airship and flew it over City Field during a double header, relieving herself with a grand dump after four days of constipation,
that would surely scare the crap
out of me!

The only terrorists worth worrying about in Queens are its KKK pols
(KROWLEY'S KLUBHOUSE KROOKS)!

Anonymous said...

The insurance is standard and even when a blimp has a catastrophic problem, the pilot and passenger have a better chance of staying alive than other aircraft and the ship will do a lot less damage!


Hah! ever hear of the Hindenburg? oh.. reading lower i see you have.

what about the poor soles on the ground or in the building engulfed in flames?

Anonymous said...

C-mon fella...
a terrorist seizing a blimp?

You're over-reacting a trifle
aren't you?.


where were you on September 11, 2001?

Alan Gross said...

"No one takes yous flim flam ridiculous proposal seriously. Im sure its where it belongs for the past ten years . In someones circular file."

What part of the plan is dead do you not understand? The point that is being made is that elected representatives and city officials, with knowledge and forethought, purposely denied my intention to respond to the RFP with details and information not previously supplied because I had to wait for the RFP to be issued. The EDC deceived me. That is a fact.

All of the developers who did respond to the RFP spent hundreds of thousands to do so. I was prepared for this but lost out because the EDC did not notify the community board, Councilman Avella's office and others. Why did they keep this from us? That is the question that I am addressing.

I was invited to many meetings by CB#7 prior to the issuance of the RFP. We were told that the response time for the RFP was going to be several months but in the end, it was an 8 week window and when I finally received the appropriate paperwork, I lost 3 weeks. The RFP, in case you are in the dark, is a complicated document and requires a lot of due diligence, etc.

In the end, the mayor's office and EDC chose a project that was soundly defeated by the community. The EDC never dealt with the traffic mitigation and the area cannot handle much more congestion. Therefore, the Willets Point project can only createe more hardship for residents and business owners in northern Queens. The Flushing Airport property remains undeveloped and is costing money rather than producing an income.

Alan Gross said...

"Hah! ever hear of the Hindenburg? oh.. reading lower i see you have.

what about the poor soles on the ground or in the building engulfed in flames?"

The Hindenburg used hydrogen and airships today use non-explosive helium. In spite of that fact, over 2/3 of the people on board the airship SURVIVED!!! Please do not let facts get in the way of your opinions.

Anonymous said...

The point that is being made is that elected representatives and city officials, with knowledge and forethought, purposely denied my intention to respond to the RFP with details and information not previously supplied because I had to wait for the RFP to be issued.

Its 10 years later.. Haven't you moved on?

No one obviously took your proposal seriously. Just spent three minutes reading it and broke out in laughter six times.

thanks for the laugh.

Anonymous said...

Glad the elected officials of 1999 had the fore thought to not even consider this ridiculous idea.

Anonymous said...

I suppose we should close
La Guardia for fear of terrorists stealing an airplane.

The blimp port is still a great idea.

A cleaner use of energy and just the thing to encourage that elusive tourism that Terri Osborne and her dodos are always trying to bring to Queens.

They're quiet too.

H-m-m-m, you can even use the ad space on them to boost our borough
or city.

No political advertising though please!

Anonymous said...

I suppose we should close
La Guardia for fear of terrorists stealing an airplane.


where do all the funds and resources come from to secure Alan's blimp port in the same manner as LGA?

think before you write./

Anonymous said...

The freaks at "Parkside" are just jealous they didn't come up with the blimp port idea first judging by the tone of their numerous posts on QC.

Why Evan is a veritable hot air balloon of his own!

Anonymous said...

Look, you're arguing with the pro-development Willets Point asshole from EDC. He has no desire to write on any other posts except those that have to do with Willets Point (or EDC). Just ignore him.

Anonymous said...

I was at ground zero two days later
photographing the destruction.

Where were you high on weed
or stealing stuff to sell later
on E-bay?

It's always dummies like yourself
that talk the loudest shit!

Anonymous said...

Really? Then maybe you have a photo of me pulling the bodies out.

Alan Gross said...

The Parkside Group is just doing what it does best, distort the truth and confuse the issue at hand which, in this instance, is how Bloomie is pressuring our elected officials in order to get his way. I offered a view of the inner workings of the EDC that may not have been known otherwise.

This is not about a blimpport but what the EDC and their cronies do if developers do not comply with their desires. They will pull out all of the stops to get what they want while making sure any competition is not heard from. My way or the highway is not going to fly and I am thankful for the Tony Avellas and others who still desire to represent the wants and needs of their constituents and not the selfish coffers of Bumberg's buddies!

PS There are not too many people posting on Queens Crap that have the courage to actually provide a real name as well as contact info. Nobody from the Parkside Group will ever have the courage to do so.

Anonymous said...

Where's the money coming for that jerk off redux of the iron triangle
at Willets Point?

The city's forever crying poverty except when it comes to the pet projects of its real estate moguls
then they pick our pockets for some more tax money!

Ask Chen to bring in some Chinese money earmarked for his Wellington Point job and allocate some for the blimp port!

Anonymous said...

For every body you claimed to have pulled out a lot of gold bullion also disappeared from that site
you phony hero!

The son of a friend of ours was diving to retrieve bloated corpses from beneath the water!

Graphic enough for you!

Queens Crapper said...

4 New 'Blimp' Designs Bring Return of the Airship

Sounds like it's not outdated at all.

Anonymous said...

The only thing that's outdated are those tired old tactics that the
"Darkside Group" still insists on using even in this new emerging age of a more enlightened voter.

That old KKK Klubhouse game isn't working on us any longer Evan!

Try a different tune!

Anonymous said...

NYC might seem to be a big city to the casual observer relative to its population.

But it's a very small town politically speaking.

Everybody's up each other's ass.

Like a daisy chain of mini-minds
with limited vision.

And when it comes to recognizing any creative possibilities
for moneymaking,
such as this blimp port in question, the pols are totally bereft of any brainpower !

Not so in the other great cities
of the world.

Alan Gross said...

San Francisco has been very supportive of an airship sightseeing venue:

http://www.airshipventures.com/

I have spoken with the principals and it seems like my blimpport concept has legs but not in NYC. I would like to thank the previous poster for supporting my point that if the powers to be will not benefit greatly, they will ignore or do whatever it takes to keep projects from moving forward. However, if it is something that Bloomie and his buddies desire, the sky's the limit!

Before someone else posts a comment, no I am not planning to leave NYC to pursue my airship dream at this time so deal with it! I can still do quite a bit to support the airship industry from here.

By the way, I went to Germany and saw the new technology Zeppelin fly and was awed by its design and flight characteristics. It can fly backwards and spin on its own axis, something standard airships cannot do. It also requires a lot less ground crew support.

Anonymous said...

yeah and popular mechanics had an article on building your own space ship... Big whoop

Anonymous said...

give us all a break with your dopey schemes alan

Everyone is wise to your land grab ideas..

Your airship won't fly in NYC.. It's a stupid idea face it

Anonymous said...

hey crapper

If u are going to delete comments why don't u delete some of the hateful ones above

Hypocryte

Anonymous said...

Actually what's stupid is putting thousands of people in a flood plain on contaminated land in the flight path of LaGuardia next to a stagnant body of water that stinks to high heaven.

Alan Gross said...

"give us all a break with your dopey schemes alan

Everyone is wise to your land grab ideas..

Your airship won't fly in NYC.. It's a stupid idea face it"

Didn't do well in school, Evan? What land grab? The community was heavily in favor of my proposal and it served several purposes such as maintaining the airspace corridor, low environmental impact, and less traffic than a lot of other proposals. Also, it wasn't a free ride so what point are you trying to make?

It could have worked at the time it was proposed but it was taken off the table involuntarily by the EDC which is the purpose of my posts. You post anonymously because you fear that everyone will know the fool behind the obtuse comments that you make.

Anonymous said...

plenty of people in cramped over crowded sub standard housing would love the opportunity to live in new housing.


What do you suggest? Sending them back where they came from ?

And remediating contaminated land us a bad thing?

It was said b4 that people in Howard beach live good lives near an airport

Who are you to dictate peoples choice of where to live???

Anonymous said...

"yeah and popular mechanics had an article on building your own space ship... Big whoop"

Boy, I can't imagine what the world would have been like if you were around when the Wright Brothers were flying their kites!

http://www.metroactive.com/papers/metro/07.02.98/rocket-9826.html

Anonymous said...

you conveniently neglect to mention your proposal to add a hotel to your bimpport megaplex

Anonymous said...

"plenty of people in cramped over crowded sub standard housing would love the opportunity to live in new housing"

Too bad they won't get the chance since most of these units will be luxury. A handful of affordable housing in an environment of eliminating it won't amount to a hill of beans.

Anonymous said...

It is amazing how folks from Queens CAN sound intelligent and CAN discuss things when we are free and do not have to beg a local newspaper to cover it, then watch as they distort the story.

Good show Crappy. Thanks Alan!

Anonymous said...

make up your miwithwr they are crap Apartments in a major flight path or luxury condos

I doubt luxury condos would fly in that arEa

IMHO

Anonymous said...

I think you mean "IMAO."

The city says they are luxury units and only 20% "affordable" (whatever the hell that means).

The project will not be economically feasible if it were aimed at middle or low income.

Anonymous said...

after acorn gets done arm twist ing affordable will be higher and the 32 council members will vote Y E S

Alan Gross said...

"Who are you to dictate peoples choice of where to live???"

What a load! This is not a case of if you build it, they will come. What about the traffic that such a project will create?

You are putting words in my mouth. If housing already existed and I objected to certain people moving in, then you have a point. I am suggesting that a large tract of residential units in this specific neighborhood will have detrimental affects on the borough. Why don't you stick to the facts and not distort what other people have to say.

Where are the facts that support your claim that Howard Beach residents are content with aircraft noise and jet fuel residue? I am not against remediation of the Willets Point site but the owners have paid their taxes and are not getting the services that they paid for.

The mayor trying to strong arm our city council representatives in order to get his way is the issue. That is what should be the topic here so your diversions are nonsensical and disruptive.

People are starting to see that elected officials and greedy corporate entities are sucking the life out of our economic system. It has been reported that each and every citizen is going to be in the hole by $2,667 because of the greedy speculators and elected officials looking the other way. I do not want to see any more of my tax dollars being flushed down the toilet, although it may actually end up in Willets Point after all...literally!

Anonymous said...

Highly doubtable, if the threat of eminent domain is still on the table. They signed a letter against it. It would be brought up everytime they ran for office if they went back on their written word. Besides, the Senate Dems are taking up the cause of eminent domain law reform. City Dems, who represent 48 of 51 council members certainly aren't going to buck them.

Alan Gross said...

"you conveniently neglect to mention your proposal to add a hotel to your bimpport megaplex"

The website and proposal to the city were concepts. The due diligence required to respond to an RFP would have fleshed out the details. A hotel across 20th Avenue has been built and that is what we would have incorporated into the plan. Therefore, I am hiding nothing...including my identity, Evan or Evan wannabee. I think people reading the blog are realizing your technique and are growing tired of it. If you were to stick to facts, you would certainly have your work cut out for you. I have documents and other items that clearly demonstrate the facts. What do you have?

Anonymous said...

we are discussing willets point alan

Not your Trojan horse pie in the sky blimp poet debacle
Keep it on topic

Anonymous said...

Actually its the Willets Point project that is pie in the sky with the way the economy is now.

Alan Gross said...

"we are discussing willets point alan

Not your Trojan horse pie in the sky blimp poet debacle
Keep it on topic"

Excuse me? Reading comprehension is apparently not your strong suit! The whole point is about how city officials are using strong arm and other tactics with regard to development proposals. I clearly compared the experience that I had years ago with what is going on today with Willets Point. You are not making your case by picking on me as I have been trying to stay on topic with my posts. It is posters such as yourself that are adding to the confusion and getting off topic. The readers have a right to facts as the local newspapers have fallen in line with the Parkside power players. I believe that Queens Crap provides a valuable service by presenting facts and points of view that would otherwise be ignored. As I've suggested in the past, anonymous posters are as useful as tits on a bull! Go ask Toby or Claire!

Anonymous said...

your dopey proposal and experience are irrelavant to the topic at hand

Bloomberg is garnering support for the development plan using strong negotiating tactics backed by the peoples desire to change willets . Your idea never for off the ground because you had no support and no money to fund your idea

Once ACORN gets on board willets will sail through the council

Alan Gross said...

"your dopey proposal and experience are irrelavant to the topic at hand

Bloomberg is garnering support for the development plan using strong negotiating tactics backed by the peoples desire to change willets . Your idea never for off the ground because you had no support and no money to fund your idea

Once ACORN gets on board willets will sail through the council"

I see this as nothing but Parkside propaganda and you folks, in my opinion, are getting scared that people are starting to wake up to the real benficiaries of the Willets Point project...Bloomie's rich developer buddies. Why do you post anonymously?

Anonymous said...

I choose to post anonymously for the same reason 99% of the posters here do

I choose not to give by personal information to a website such as this

I've no affiliation with any entities involpved in willets

You onthe other hand revel in your creating publicity for your failed ideas

Alan Gross said...

Or is that that I am being honest and forthright with my information? I believe that my postings have served a useful purpose. I am providing an alternate point of view and using facts to back me up. I am not asking for your name or address but a way to identify people who respond to my posts. You may not have a direct affiliation but if anonymous posters make statements claimed as facts, I think a little back up would be appropriate. Call yourself blimphater or something suitable to your intelligence level so that I can respond to your specific comment rather that using quotation marks to respond as is often the case.

I do not consider the blimpport project a failure as it provided me with a lot of valuable experience and contacts. I am sure that there will be blimpports and I am confident that I will contribute to their creation and historical archives. Too bad it didn't happen in my hometown.

Anonymous said...

why would anyone reveal so much as their email address to a website that accepts hateful bigoted comments from people who judge others by the color of their skin and their country of origin or religious practices??

Alan Gross said...

"why would anyone reveal so much as their email address to a website that accepts hateful bigoted comments from people who judge others by the color of their skin and their country of origin or religious practices??"

I for one am not afraid to speak out about issues I strongly believe in. I won't be intimidated by the bullies who post on this blog. I have nothing to hide and want my point of view represented here. The personal attacks by anonymous posters will not change what I have to say or the way I say it. Has freedom of speech and freedom of the press been taken off the table yet? I know that Bush & Company are trying to do just that. Just ask Amy Goodman, a reporter who was thrown in jail in Minneapolis during the Republican convention. We can remain silent and let our freedoms erode or we can continue to speak our minds. I have obviously chosen the latter.

Anonymous said...

I chose to speak out against the hate mongers on this site as well . And express my opinion which usually runs contrary to the stated objective of this site .

I however, choose not to give my personal information to the person who provides the platform for others to preach their hate

That is my expression of free speech

Queens Crapper said...

"I chose to speak out against the hate mongers on this site as well."

You're a bigoted hate monger yourself which is why I removed your comment about Alan.

Anonymous said...

yet you choose to keep other far worse comments on the site???

Predictable

Queens Crapper said...

Anonymous comments aimed at anonymous people do not bother me. When someone reveals who they are and then is the target of your homophobic rantings, then I will take action.

Now grow up and learn how to argue better. When you resort to what you said, it means you have lost the argument.

Anonymous said...

and calling elected public officials every name in the book iS a-ok on this site. If he puts his name out there he is as much open to name calling as the public officials who get skewered On This site regularly with comparisons to evil despots and maniacal killers. Calling someone a homosexual is tame compared to some of the invective on this site

Queens Crapper said...

Free speech when it comes to public figures is different than that for private citizens. Ask any attorney.

Anonymous said...

Elected officials know when they run for office that they will be subject to scorn and ridicule. It's part of the package.

Anonymous said...

people who use their names in public and bring attention to their public actions fall in The same category


I'd you don't believe that to be the case delete every reference to Wellington chen and the other developers that are skewered regularly

Does george steinbrenner and donald trump escape name calling and public discourse because they are private people?? Of course not.

Anonymous said...

So if there is name calling of Donald Trump and you think that is okay, why does name calling by anonymous QC posters about public officials bother you so much?

Queens Crapper said...

Alan Gross told a story about airships and is otherwise not a public figure. In your estimation, anyone who expresses an opinion on anything is a public figure. You're wrong.

Anonymous said...

He told a story or HIS experiences in developing a blimp port to queens and his experiences with CB7 and the EDC

How is that different than any developer that you routinely skewer in your posts and in the comments????

Anonymous said...

Gross is a public figure in that he has been written about in article and has been an outspoken with regard to developing a blimp port in queens.

He has a web site with his name on it that promotes a development in queens.

How is this different than Wellington Chen for example?

Anonymous said...

How is this different than Chris McShane for example who writes a web site on a topic. And you and your posters have routinely called slanderous derogatory names?

The only difference is you disagree with McShane and agree with Gross.

Anonymous said...

told a story about airships?

You make it sound like he was reading "Babar the Elephant" outloud which is a characterization of the discourse/

Queens Crapper said...

And what did your violent homophobic comment have to do with his proposal?

Anonymous said...

Not only that, but pointing to bad behavior by others to justify your own bad behavior is childish and stupid.

Anonymous said...

i am pointing out crappers inconsistencies in it's deletion of comments on the site.


Crapper seems to have no answer to why it allows derogatory comments about some developers but not ones that may support it's opinion.

Queens Crapper said...

The comments by and large about developers on this site call them crooks, liars, thieves, etc. because of what they are doing with taxpayer money or criticize their projects. You went well beyond that.

Anonymous said...

so calling someone a nazi is different than calling someone a fag?

sounds like just words to me

crapper.

if you regularly allow guttural comments I am fully capable of participating on that level.

If I dont like a comment I will speak out against it.

But your selective deletion of comments directed at people you may agree with proves you to be a phoney hiding behind a moniker with no real support for open expression.

If others dont agree with a comment they are welcome to challenge it.

You are of course able to delete any comment you may not agree with and I will call you out on it each time.

Anonymous said...

Yes calling someone a Nazi is a lot different from calling someone a fag. Even Seinfeld had a character called the Soup Nazi which was not meant to be taken seriously. You never heard him call anyone a fag.

Julie said...

Let's change the subject by going off on tangents that have nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Let me remind you: Bloomberg is trying to rally support for this plan behind the scenes with councilmembers who have already gone on the record against it. Whether or not Alan likes men or women is not really relevant here.

Anonymous said...

they put their name to a letter they probably never saw after arm twisting by ACORN.

So what if Bloomie is twisting the other arm.

It politics and it happens all the time.

Anonymous said...

My, my, my...
it seems that the "Parkside's"
pussy boy Evan is employing his usual sophomoric level of criticism
here in an unusual degree of abundance .

I can just see his cheeks (both sets) turning a blazing red as he stomps and rages... running around his office in circles and throwing a little girly hissy fit because he can't hack into any of the posters PCs!

I guess his old haunt "The Spy Shop" doesn't deal in computer hacking software.

Wattsa matter....mamma not here to protect you?

If he weren't the son of a dynastic political bitch, he'd never make it on his own!

I know you well old boy.
I've stood by your side while you were tearing down your party's opponents campaign posters.

What a wimpy little turd you were then and still are now!

Anonymous said...

What are you crapping about
slut Shulman?

The longer the Willets (Wellington?) Point issue drags on the longer you get to hold onto your job as director!

I wish that cow was put out to pasture in far away Nebraska.

Anonymous said...

you all should spend less time pondering the identities of anonymous posters and more time ecising meaningful sutuons to the overcrowding problems of queens