Saturday, February 28, 2009

Dissenting opinions on College Point Industrial Park

From the Times Ledger:

Members of Community Board 7 are anxious to get a new special zoning district in place at College Point Corporate Park, but City Councilman Tony Avella (D−Bayside) said the city’s current plan is not good enough.

The city Economic Development Corp., which administers the corporate park, has proposed a special zoning district designed to preserve many of the developmental restrictions in place under an urban renewal plan, which expires in April.

But while CB 7’s College Point Task Force is eager to move the proposal ahead, Avella said the city plan opens the door for adult establishments and heavy industrial businesses that will drag down the quality of life for the surrounding neighborhoods.

“The quality of life for these neighborhoods is not what it used to be because of the corporate park. How much more can these neighborhoods take?” Avella said.

68 comments:

Anonymous said...

So you want industrial businesses in the city, then you don't want industrial businesses in the city. Auto salvage is ok in Flushing but not in a College Point corporate park? Stop the hypocrisy.

Queens Crapper said...

There was no opinion presented here by the blogmaster, just an excerpt from an article. Do you not understand the difference?

Anonymous said...

Auto salvage is not in Flushing, but at Willets Point, an isolated heavy manufacturing location not near any housing. There are residences near the College Point Corporate Park and they were promised that auto salvage and other related businesses would not be moved there, and that's what the City wants to do. So auto salvage is not ok all of a sudden across the street from an unnecessary new ballpark after being ok for decades, but now is ok to put near people's homes in another town.

Anonymous said...

Willets Point is right next to Flushing Meadows, one of the most used recreational areas in the borough.
Crapper, stop playing stupid. The "blogmaster" selected only certain paragraphs from the article that were negative regarding the special zoning. Do you not understand the difference?

Queens Crapper said...

Willets Point is next to the Shea Stadium parking lot, and is cut off from Flushing Meadows by a huge trainyard. Nice try, though.

back in black to give s salem a smack said...

biggie get a job and go back to the iron triangle tracker . everywhere you blog people leave, mcshanes site- stevens site. why do you think that happens? maybe because you are a liar fraud who uses multiple names to try and influance public opinion? go back to south salem and clean it up , i can smell it from here. and while your there say hello to raffie & abberdon lmfao

Anonymous said...

who's biggie smalls?

joe a said...

biggie small is an ass hole from south salem ny who blogs on all these sites and try's to piss every one off he's a 5th grader jerk off that play's on the computer all day , the thing with him is he doesn't know the difference understand any thing that gos on and will blog with
different name and will blog with him self today he's anonymous

chuck a said...

this is why the willets plain is dead in the water ,no junk yards are going to the c.p.i.p. and no judge is going to put all these business out of busines it wont happen there is so much wront with this plain and cb7 will not vote for it .put the roads in and all the services and move on .

frank f said...

chuck good point. nice to hear someone who knows what they are talking about. unlike atlantic yards which the judge said edc could take because of blight this is a different animal. the city caused this blight and made it a place where investing or improving your property made no $ence. every 5-10 years these people were hit with "" were going to take it again" every year that went by saw another year of no services-streets-sewers ect. little by little the city made it get to the point where it is today. than a fire truck gets stuck so they pave bits of willets point blvd and not the rest of the area. where is the dos to clean the streets of garbage? where is dotto fix the streets? why do people have to make complaints to receive services? why if the city has no money and were laying off good cops-fireman-teachers-nurses ,ect who help and protect us than how do we have money for this highway theft ?anyway its good to hear someone with a head on his shoulders instead of biggie smalls that jerk

Anonymous said...

Willets Point is next to the Shea Stadium parking lot, and is cut off from Flushing Meadows by a huge trainyard. Nice try, though.
great job crapper
hah biggie typical city hack. they think they are entitled to willets point and if you don't agree with them than they come with all the negitive comments. go join the south salem little league smalls and hang out with kids of your age

joe a said...

typical city hack. they think they are entitled to willets point and if you don't agree with them than they come with all the negitive comments. go join the south salem little league smalls and hang out with kids of your age

so true the nyc EDC doesn't know there head from there ass , its time to stop the dog and pony show and end the willets point plan its only going to die over time , cb7 and tony a will not let junk yards move to collage point would the edc losers want to live next to an industrial park ?? game over

joe a said...

frank f said...
chuck good point. nice to hear someone who knows what they are talking about. unlike atlantic yards which the judge said edc could take because of blight this is a different animal. the city caused this blight and made it a place where investing or improving your property made no $ence. every 5-10 years these people were hit with "" were going to take it again" every year that went by saw another year of no services-streets-sewers ect. little by little the city made it get to the point where it is today. than a fire truck gets stuck so


framk remember the taxes went up every year to and received less ,

this plan is dead the city messed up here no judge will ruel infavor of the city nooooo way josa

Anonymous said...

who is biggie small? is that the guy carlos gonzalez? what a looser

Anonymous said...

Regarding comment #3 above: "There are residences near the College Point Corporate Park and they were promised that auto salvage and other related businesses would not be moved there..."

Can anyone identify exactly when, how and who made the promise that auto salvage and other related businesses would not be moved to CPCP?

Anonymous said...

Curious why no mention of the AY judgment on this site.

The court came down strongly for the City in supporting the redevelopment of Atlantic Yards.

This has far reaching implications for Willets Point in that the AY judges said even though a portion of the development area was blighted by the MTA the EDC still has the obligation to redevelop the whole area and move forward with its plan.

Anonymous said...

The CPCP charter I believe expires in April of 09 so at that point EDC can load any businesses they want in the area.

Rightly 5 WP businesses will be relocated to areas that are not near residential areas.

Anonymous said...

"Willets Point is right next to Flushing Meadows, one of the most used recreational areas in the borough. "

Well, if you can separated by a rail yard and a creek

go back to mcshane you looser biggie said...

biggie smalls ,carlos gonzalez,abbaddon,raffie all in one are back to talk crap!! no mention of ay because it doesn't concern the people of willets point 1 bit this is a whole different animal, even thou you will try your hardest to persude everyone that its not. did you know biggie that ay didn't file their challage to the eis on time and thats why they are behind the eight ball? never will happen with willets point. mike gerard & mike rikon the 2 best attorneys to fight eminent domain in the country yes the country !!! are handling the case, as soon as the time is right the fireworks will begin. do you really think 30 years of neglect will be washed away like it never happened?do you think the people are just going to give the edc their land without just compensation? you know there has been none since 11/13/09 4 months now--whats your spin on that? i know your a moron and a rat ( you see biggie like calling the city to try and get people throw off their property) who like to see evil done to people, but i didn't realize how big of a one you are

gene k said...

his comments are so obvious you know its him just by what he writes. he never looks at the real truth. go to the 3/03/09 meeting @community board # 7 and you will see the citys excuse--we have no $$$ we have no land so we must move them here. also the islander story about coming to queens, all made up wang never discussed it with anyone --read his interview. liar fruad. come to the meeting and get the real truth

south salem slumdog biggie smalls said...

also the ay judgement was the empire state development edc which is the state--- this is the nycedc new york city economic development corp to different cases biggie it's the top of the 1st inning the game hasn't even begun yet, don't be upset

Anonymous said...

i dont who this "biggie" person you refer to is.

The promptness of the filing was not an issue in the judgment. The city brought that up and it was dismissed.

The judges ruled on the merits of the finding and found that the city EIS was a valid document and the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight.

eyes above willets point said...

The promptness of the filing was not an issue in the judgment. The city brought that up and it was dismissed.
lies -lies -lies willets point is the city , ay is the state what is so hard to understand? do you need hand signals? and who is biggie? ask yourself that question its you moron , you think we don't know? we can smell you from a mile away

Anonymous said...

"the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight."

Too bad the City caused the blight.

eyes above willets point said...

The city brought that up and it was dismissed.
of course it was thats what i said they filed late, it will never happen at willets point. take a vacation and come back in 10 years the business will still be there, plan is dead caving under it own weight the jig is up for the city.

eyes above willets point said...

Anonymous said...
"the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight."

Too bad the City caused the blight.

Saturday, February 28, 2009

thank you!!

Anonymous said...

the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight riding the city of shulman & parkside is what should be done , they caused this whole mess. now shes pissed because her cut is gone

b+b auto said...

Anonymous said...
Curious why no mention of the AY judgment on this site.

The court came down strongly for the City in supporting the redevelopment of Atlantic Yards.

This has far reaching implications for Willets Point in that the AY judges said even though a portion of the development area was blighted by the MTA the EDC still has the obligation to redevelop the whole area and move forward with its plan.

Saturday, February 28, 2009


what for ay is not willets point you ass hole

ezz tire shop said...

Anonymous said...
"the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight."

Too bad the City caused the blight.

Saturday, February 28, 2009
why MUST THE EDC be allowed because you say so you loser a judge will over turn this one

wp+ law suit = over turn and the people win

shea deli said...

and get the real truth

gene k you got it part right he knows the real truth and knows this plan is so dead but just like a dumb EDC hack he has to blog against you with lie after lies belive me he knows the truth that there will be a fight and your looking about 10 years in court before said and done

junk yards for ever

pay offs said...

Anonymous said...
the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight riding the city of shulman & parkside is what should be done , they caused this whole mess. now shes pissed because her cut is gone

Saturday, February 28, 2009

and dont forget out of her cut she was to take care of a lot of people and now she cant , she cant take care of cb7 people in park side and so on there are a lot of unhappy people i wonder if edc will close with the big 3 that got to stay ????

thank you edc hack said...

eyes above willets point said...
Anonymous said...
"the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight."

Too bad the City caused the blight.

Saturday, February 28, 2009

thank you!!

Saturday, February 28, 2009

ha ha look at this the EDC hack said it



eyes above willets point said...
Anonymous said...
"the EDC must be allowed to do what it was charged with doing -- riding the city of blight."

Too bad the City caused the blight.

this will be a win in court and a over turn

Anonymous said...

on what basis would a court over turn the blight study in Wilelts Point?

That doesnt make any sense based on the decision in AY and every other Eminent Domain case.

Queens Crapper said...

The environmental review for this was seriously flawed, and not based on "terrorism" or other things that the AY case was based on. The City had no evidence of the level of contamination they were claiming; the site is not a superfund site. Their own paid expert produces publicly available maps that show no more contamination than in any other industrial zone in the City. And denying basic services for decades and then complaining that the property is underutilized and therefore blighted is a joke. WP is in an isolated area where you only see it if you go there, no one is living near it or traveling through it if they do not themselves work there. It was there well before the baseball stadium and if the Mets didn't want their fans looking at it then they should have built the stadium on the other side of the parking lot instead.

Anonymous said...

as AY proved, the courts will side with the government agency tasked with ridding blight every time.

Curios why this web site failed to mention the ground breaking decision in DDDB vs AY

Anonymous said...

The Neighborhood Condition Report, which you refer to as the "blight study," is merely a document produced by a contractor at EDC's behest, and put forth by EDC. It is data presented selectively by those paid to prepare it, and as such is neither inherently trustworthy nor subject to being "overturned." It is not a legal conclusion.

A judge may agree with some of the NCR content, but may also consider and agree with the content of a different document prepared by property owners, containing information that is omitted from the NCR.

"Blight" typically can refer to an area that is dead, for all intents and purposes. Willets Point, to the contrary, contains virtually no unused property, and is the site of 250+ businesses that operate all the time, to the benefit of customers from the entire tri-state area and beyond. It is a vibrant economic engine, and there is no plan to reproduce it elsewhere. Naturally, busy industrial areas convey a different aesthetic than do upscale residential districts, but they are no less essential to this great City. Willets Point deserves to receive essential City services that are provided everywhere else, and a spruce-up. Anything else is unwarranted, inappropriate, and will be challenged in every venue to the fullest possible extent.

Anonymous said...

Atlantic Yards is located in Brooklyn. This blog site is entitled "QueensCrap" and it is concerned principally with Queens issues.

Check the title of the site before faulting anyone here.

Anonymous said...

interesting how this site has previously covered the topic yet falls silent as the case got blown out.

The courts determined that they are not in place to evaluate the contents of the study. period.

in AY and in other cases, and in WP ultimately, they will defer to the elected officials who established the laws and approved the developments.

Queens Crapper said...

"interesting how this site has previously covered the topic yet falls silent as the case got blown out."

Biggie Smalls writing nonsensical drivel again. It was posted on 2/26, the day it happened. Now get a life.

Anonymous said...

I think the traffic issues alone will make WP another Westway.

Anonymous said...

Hey, how's that developer selection coming along at Willets? They're all close to bankrupt!

Anonymous said...

No court "defers to elected officials." Do not insult the judiciary.

A court will carefully consider the arguments presented, then make its legal determination. Arguments presented during any given case may differ significantly from arguments presented during another.

While the majority of justices who decided the recent AY case did not find a basis in the law to prevent the proposed development, they took the extraordinary step of including within the court's written majority opinion suggestions to petitioners concerning how to achieve their objective of eliminating the proposed project in venues other than a court of law. Thus, even the justices recognize that the proposed AY development may be inappropriate, and ripe for elimination.

Anonymous said...

reads to me like they said the law was followed. IF you dont like it go change it.

I stand corrected on the coverage. As an infrequent visitor I missed the piece. It was curiously buried for such a significant development.

By the lack of comments on the post it seems evident

Anonymous said...

The severe traffic congestion that everyone agrees will be a consequence of the proposed Willets Point redevelopment was swept under the rug by project proponents and ULURP decision makers at every step last year.

The surrounding communities remain blissfully unaware of how they will be so negatively impacted, should the project ever be built. Those opposed to the project are advised to illustrate the predicted traffic problems for the public.

Queens Crapper said...

"As an infrequent visitor I missed the piece. It was curiously buried for such a significant development."

You are not an infrequent visitor when there is Willets Point content posted. Please explain how in your estimation, the article was "buried". It was posted when the press release was received. Not my fault if you have poor reading skills.

go back to s.salem said...

Queens Crapper said...
"interesting how this site has previously covered the topic yet falls silent as the case got blown out."

Biggie Smalls writing nonsensical drivel again. It was posted on 2/26, the day it happened. Now get a life.

Saturday, February 28, 2009

THE CRAPPER MAKING A LOT OF GOOD POINTA HERE. crapper is winning 6 to 0 over biggie and all biggie can do is bring up A.Y. what a south salem ass wipe please who cares about AY nothing is going to happen there , were talking about willets point the edc did a lot of things here wrong and a judge will over turn it there are so meny things to be tested here at W.P. and not at A.Y so stop with the brooklyn bull shit and the law suit comming out next month wont be in a state cort

he cant read said...

my fault if you have poor reading skills.


yes crapper thats south salem for you

Anonymous said...

the edc did a lot of things here wrong and a judge will over turn it there are so meny (sic) things to be tested here at W.P.

Name one that would cause the vote of City council to be overturned by a judge

Queens Crapper said...

Don't answer this EDC hack and give your strategy away.

help biggie read& speak please said...

what happened smalls your jig is up on the iron triangle tracker? get a life, you can't be married i can't imagine anyone putting up with your nonsence and besides you can't read & speak---rosetta stone please

Anonymous said...

Most of the folks who work at the IT are family men. Can't say the same about this Smalls character.

biggie learn how to read & speak please said...

what happened smalls your jig is up on the iron triangle tracker? get a life, you can't be married i can't imagine anyone putting up with your nonsence and besides you can't read & speak---rosetta stone please

Anonymous said...

biggie has no family , can you imagine he would turn them in to the cops in a second. oh wait he does have a family ! its the rat family

Anonymous said...

Name one that would cause the vote of City council to be overturned by a judge
you call that a vote or a cirus? come on it was bought and you know it . 2 weeks before it 38 against at the vote 2 people vote no give me a break . this is why we need laws aginst these special intrest groups. katz told me herself i can't vote against development when i get all my money from developers---yeah some vote

Anonymous said...

just as I thought. cant name a thing.

Lawsuit coming out in March? OK .. we'll see.

Biggie from Valhalla said...

I am such a moron I comment all day on a piece of land in Queens although I live in Westchester. Someone please help me.

Anonymous said...

valhalla? not even close

Anonymous said...

Valhalla, South Salem, it doesn't matter. You're an asshole from upstate and you are obsessed with an industrial park in Queens.

Fucked up, man.

Anonymous said...

If your research on the legal standing of this issue is as good as your research on where anonymous posters in web forums live you dont stand a chance.

Anonymous said...

We know you live in Westchester. The gig is up. Even another blogger confirmed this. Now go jerk off in South Salem.

Anonymous said...

Pardon me, go jerk McShane off in South Salem.

Anonymous said...

Even another blogger confirmed this

great use of sources.

Queens Crapper said...

It's a blogger you apparently have great respect for :)

Anonymous said...

Biggie and Evan bang each other up the ass in upper Westchester.

Anonymous said...

he gave up he's out of stupid questions

Anonymous said...

Chuck... Chuck Apellian!
He's been warming a bench at CB#7
for far too long!

Anonymous said...

Why not replace Marilyn Bitterman too while you're at it?

That broad makes $80,000 a year and for doing what?

And she's been up Wellington Chen's ass for years (or is it vice versa)?

Saint Chen can do no wrong in Bitterman's eyes!

Anonymous said...

"The surrounding communities remain blissfully unaware of how they will be so negatively impacted, should the project ever be built."

Thanks in part to the Mitchell-Linden Civic Association and Debra Markel's cohorts!!! They have successfully dumbed down a once active community. Markel may be gone but she is not forgotten. She still has too much influence in this community. Most people in the community are unaware that she is one of many EDC hacks that are hell bent on overdevelopment and overcrowding!