A group of business owners opposing Mayor Bloomberg's rezoning plan for Willets Point slowed traffic around Shea Stadium before yesterday's Mets game by putting on the streets trucks carrying slogans such as "Hands Off Our Land, Bloomberg!"Business Owners Send Strong Message on Willets Point
Protesters and public officials at yesterday's rally focused on one aspect of the debate: Even if the proposal is voted down, the mayor's office has not ruled out using the power of eminent domain to take over the land.
"It might sound old-fashioned, but I believe that, in America, the right of property owners is sacred," Council Member Hiram Monserrate, who represents Willets Point, said at the rally.
The vice president of a Willets Point water and sewage product distributor, Thomas Mina, called the mayor's plan a "concept," saying the administration had not made the details of its proposal clear.
"I'm not against development, but let the businesses here take part in it," he said. "If the city would put in infrastructure like sewers and roads, the area would develop itself. Corporations would want to come, there would be none of this perceived unsightliness, and we wouldn't be displaced."
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"I'm not against development, but let the businesses here take part in it," Mina said. "If the city would put in infrastructure like sewers and roads, the area would develop itself."
not against development?/ the heresy of it all..
sure.. let the city spend $$ on the infrastructure so Mina and his land barons can sell out at 10x the price to whomever they want.. sounds worse than the mayors plan.
Why? It's called free market economy.
It might sound old-fashioned, but I believe that, in America, the right of property owners is sacred," Council Member Hiram Monserrate, who represents Willets Point, said at the rally.
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Oh, and when to Acorn's interests become the same as Willets Point interest?
"not against development?/ the heresy of it all.."
What the hell does that mean? The businesses are there in the first place because of development. You really need to get a hobby, dude.
He can't help it. He has a blind hatred for anything having to do with Willets Point. He probably wandered away from the Mets game as a child and ended up there and was scarred for life. LOL LOL LOL
No. In a free market Mina, his sewer company and his "partners" should buy up the land, put in the sewers themselves and then clean it up and redevelop it.
not ask the city to foot the bill for their gains.
If the businesses want to accept the city's offer they will. And then the city can build what they want and then their battle can be with Acorn over affordable housing. Hiram is trying to prevent eminent domain abuse first, and the housing affordability can come after the first issue is settled.
Heresy is an introduced change to some system of belief, especially a religion, that conflicts with the previously established canon of that belief.
Mina going against the Queens Crapper creed..
so what do you say when Mina gets his sewers and sells the triangle out to Fed Ex or UPS like he suggested in his video??
What about the traffic?
"In a free market Mina, his sewer company and his "partners" should buy up the land, put in the sewers themselves and then clean it up and redevelop it.
not ask the city to foot the bill for their gains."
Extremely stupid statement. Mina and his partners already own the land. In this city, sewer systems are the responsibility of the government. He is simply asking for what every other taxpaying business in this city has already gotten - sanitary sewers.
traffic is part of life here.. deal with it or move to Wyoming.
"traffic is part of life here.. deal with it or move to Wyoming."
Yes, let's not try to fix the problems, let's make them worse.
Why the hell would I care if Mina sold his business to UPS or Fedex? They would need sewers, too.
"He is simply asking for what every other taxpaying business in this city has already gotten - sanitary sewers."
not true.. other areas have septic systems and no sewer connections. Mina and his land barons bought land that didnt have sewer service and never did. how is that now our problem to GIVE him sewers?
"not true.. other areas have septic systems and no sewer connections."
Which ones?
if Mina puts in the sewers on his own dime than he should be able to sell to anyone he wants..
so you queens crappers would rather have a massive fed ex complex in WP than a school and 5500 housing units with some shopping and a movie theatre..
good priorities. you must own stock
How do more residents in an already crowded borough straining the infrastructure improve life for those already here? I'd rather have the jobs that Fedex would provide.
Okay, let's put the sewer issue aside. How about fixing the damn streets, installing sidewalks? Is that Mina's responsibility too?
there are some areas where three families share a one bedroom apartment.. there is a housing crisis.
i know must on this site would like to cesseed from the union and set up a separate immigration plan for queens but that aint reality so get with the program or move somewhere that there are less people.
how about Douglaston? they have septic// do you all really believe the WP rhetoric that they are the ONLY area of NYC without connex to the sewer system.
lemmings.
streets and sidewalks? the area has never had much paved streets and certainly there are areas without sidewalks in NYC.
I repeat: He is simply asking for what every other taxpaying business in this city has already gotten - sanitary sewers.
Douglas Manor is a very expensive residential community.
Please name the other business communities in NYC without sanitary sewers.
"streets and sidewalks? the area has never had much paved streets."
And why not? What good reason does the city have for not paving the streets like it does everywhere else?
"there are some areas where three families share a one bedroom apartment.. there is a housing crisis."
And 80% of units that are luxury apartments or hotel rooms are going to fix that? Oh my God you need to get a grip on what you are saying. The people living 3 families to a one-bedroom are not going to be the ones moving here. Stop drinking the Bloomberg Koolaid and just admit you want a place to get drunk after the game and before you board the LIRR.
For years Willets Point has been the asshole of Queens.
Nobody wanted it and the city never cared what the hell went on there.
Now that we're running out of land
there's a desperate attempt to build on any shit pile that can be found so that developers can bilk a fortune off of local or foreign Chinese/Taiwanese buyers (in this case) who've got no problem living on top of a toxic wasteland!
Living conditions might have been far worse in their own homelands.
Muss is already doing exactly that on the eastern bank of the Flushing River. That's a federal brown field
he's building over!
So that is your next big dumb argument against cleaning up this area - traffic?? Traffic? We should keep a blighted disgusting mess because if we clean it up we will have more traffic? You all need to get your heads out of the sand.
Isn't one of your arguments that the city should just put in streets and sewers so the existing businesses can do their own redevelopment? Wouldn't that increase traffic too?
Like how you are going to find every Willets Point post and leave the same comments. Should give you something to do all day, because there's a lot of them.
In any large project, the effects of traffic have to be weighed and mitigated. There is already way too much traffic on the highway and on Roosevelt Avenue. The buses, trains and subways are packed. More luxury condos (next to an airport - LOL) is not what we need right now. And until the sanctuary city policy stops, a handful of "affordable" apartments isn't what we need either. The illegals will continue occupy basements 10 to a room in shifts just like they do now.
That area is already a transportation bottleneck...that's why you moron.
Just witness the traffic when a Mets game breaks up....a veritable nightmare!
It will be NOTHING compared to the increased congestion resulting from this ill thought project.
Notice that I didn't say PLAN because there are no specifics on paper.
So we're being told to buy a pig in a poke.
You must be the dumbest businessman in the world if you'd go for a blind deal like that.
DON'T EXPECT US TO BUY IT !!!
There was no great interest or haste in "cleaning up" that area for the public good for almost one hundred years or so.
Funny how quickly the grease gets applied to the wheels when Wilpon and Muss have interests in the area!
Stop trying to jerk us around with your skewed arguments and twisted logic "Parkside"!
Hiram is trying to prevent eminent domain abuse first, and the housing affordability can come after the first issue is settled.
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Hiram is trying to get reeelected first and last. 'Affordable housing' means that he has the 'right' people in his district.
Like any politican, who could give 2 sh*ts on anything else like eminent domain.
Lets face it, every other arguement is over except the shouting.
Like the West Bank (today) and Bloody Kansas (in history)
Its about who gets to settle the distict with their supporters - Flushing or Corona.
Acorn is seen as a bad guy in Ratnerville Brooklyn.
In Queens its a viable option if not a downright savior for an area (and whose ramifications and reputation, are, of couse, unexplored by the press)
Speaks volumes about community preservation and civic activism in Queens.
It effectively does not exist.
In my opinion, it is foolhardy to develop the Iron Triangle for any type of housing. Whatever happened to the sewer overflow tank? The area is still putrid at times, especially at low tide. The smell is unacceptable. Why would any sane person want to live there in the first place?
And let us not forget the overhead jet traffic consistently taking off and landing. It's not just the noise but the toxic soup of pollution from both vehicular traffic and those aircraft, as well as industrial smog. The 5,500 residential units proposed for the area is an affront to anyone living nearby.
Over the last few days, the Whitestone Expressway (both north and south) has been a parking lot at times. I look out my apartment window and see emergency vehicles trying to weave through this mess while responding to a call. How is this development going to solve that issue???
One of the most glaring omissions to any proposal for the area is the lack of an environmental study of the air quality at and adjacent to the Willets Point area. Is the City's proposal going to have a negative health impact on the people of North Queens? I guess we'll never know if Granny Shulman and the Parkside Pals have their way.
I say follow the money trail and see how much taxpayer money was spent so far and where did the money go? Private money? If so, how much? Whose pants pockets are getting fat off of our collective butts? It is time to get serious and stop wasting taxpayer time and money!!!!! I agree that it is time for a federal investigation to see what is really going on here.
"Anonymous said...
I have an idea,
They can have the St. Saviour's site.
The JPCA did a great job at saving that one - NOT.
Fucking assholes!!!"
Are you actually proud of the fact that JPCA couldn't preserve the structure and land on the St Saviour's site? In spite of the will of the people? It says a lot about your motivation and who you are.
With a little forethought the city could have purchased the property and designated it parkland. That was done frequently during the 1930's through the 1960's.
Now it wants to confiscate private land that is and always has been zoned for industrial and do who knows what with it. Taking jobs that support entry level positions with it. This is not planning, it is theft. Not only towards the owners of those properties, but the taxpayer.
so imagine that.. an area of NYC without sewers is NOT blighted but is actually a very expensive valuable piece of land....
guess that kills the WP argument that the lack of sewers is the reason the place is blighted.
Mina said there is "perceived unsightliness"? "Perceived"? Wow these people are so full of crap.
I'm so glad this project is moving forward. Crown signing on is a big step, I think the development is just about past the point of no return, thank goodness.
Really? How can we be past the point of no return before the city council votes, before a developer is chosen (hell, they haven't even bid yet), before we even know how extensive contamination is and before the vast majority of businesses have been offered a deal?
Pie in the sky, folks.
the WPIRA is falling apart at the seams.. the absentee slumlords will soon face condemnation and their tenant serfs will be given a real place to conduct their business.
as far as Im concerned this is the best project in the city. anything would be better than the chop shops on 126th and willets point blvd.
"anything would be better than the chop shops on 126th and willets point blvd"
Only to a Mets fan. The rest of us don't care. Those businesses need to be somewhere, and on an isolated piece of land is better than next to a neighborhood.
Correction: Only a selfish Mets fan who wants to hang out in bars after the game cares.
Isn't it sad how McShane and his prick buddies come here and talk condescendingly about the people who work at the Point? What a bunch of losers these whiny Mets fans are. Couldn't even put together a counter protest. Why? Because the vast majority of Mets fans know those businesses were there before the Mets. It's not their fault that Wilpon wanted to build the stadium right next to the triangle this time.
mve the businesses to an industrial area .. NOT next to the largest park in NYC
If you think that only a few Mets fans want Willet Point cleaned up, then you really are narrow-minded and clueless. Just about everyone I know and hear from, except for the NIMBYs on this blog, are looking forward to getting the junkards and the mess out and getting something nice built there.
"If you think that only a few Mets fans want Willet Point cleaned up, then you really are narrow-minded and clueless. Just about everyone I know and hear from, except for the NIMBYs on this blog, are looking forward to getting the junkards and the mess out and getting something nice built there."
What an obtuse comment. I believe that everyone agrees that the site needs cleaning up. The issue is stealing property from private owners so that the Mayor's buddies can profit. Another issue is quality of life for existing residents of the borough. Get a life!!!
no one is stealing anything.. ask jerry antonacci.
The business owners can slow traffic but they cannot slow the steady move forward being made by the city toward the goal of redeveloping Willets Point. The owners themselves, including Jerry Antonacci, have commented that they have been treated well. In fact Jerry mentioned he hopes the other owners are treated as well as he has been.
if you really cared about the "quality of life for existing residents of the borough" you'd be for this project.
of course you dont really care about adding 5500 units of housing in a borough where people like 2 and three familes to an apartment.
why dont you say you want to keep queens as an archie bunker haven.
I happen to live in Councilman John Liu's district. Since he has been in office, entire areas of North Flushing have been developed for residential use. Blocks of one family homes have been replaced by apartment buildings. This is taking place in an area where the infrastructure was not prepared to handle this much development.
Schools already have inadequate seating capacities and the electrical grid, sewer systems, etc. are at maximum capacity. This is the north side of Northern Boulevard. On the other side, the same thing is happening.
As I write this missive, I have been watching bumper to bumper traffic on the southbound Whitestone Expressway. And as I already mentioned, emergency vehicles cannot navigate through what currently exists. The traffic tie up has been going on since early this morning.
If people are living in such cramped conditions, as you suggest, it is their responsibilty to find more suitable living quarters. We are squeezing too many people into an area that is already facing overcrowding issues. I am espousing a point of view shared by many of my neighbors who would like to see their rights protected as well.
Of course, calling me "Archie Bunker" is a convenient way to make your point. Unfortunately, it could not be further from the truth. You failed to address the points that I made in my previous comment, specifically about environmental stresses to the borough!!!
"If you think that only a few Mets fans want Willet Point cleaned up, then you really are narrow-minded and clueless. Just about everyone I know and hear from, except for the NIMBYs on this blog, are looking forward to getting the junkards and the mess out and getting something nice built there."
Too bad they all live on Long Island and have no input into what goes on in NYC. And if there are so many of them, why can't they put together a counter protest and show their numbers?
Because there is no groundswell of support for eminent domain to remove these businesses.
Kweens Krap Kommenters
standing up for the REAL residents of Queens.
i got some logo ideas for ya'll.
Hey Crappy-
It seems like some of the blog contributors have a difficult time with comprehension:
Queens Crap
A website focused on the overdevelopment and "tweeding" of the borough of Queens in the City of New York
Say, how many people were at this protest? The article doesn't say, and the photo only seems to show a couple dozen, if that many. Anyone know?
Tweeders always care about numbers. If it was 50, they say that's pathetic. If it's 200, they say someone got paid.
Concentrate on this instead: No one came out on the other side with a counterprotest, and not for lack of trying.
overdevelopment - code word for building housing for people that dont look like archie bunker (our hero) and are less fortunate than "us"
tweeding - code word for people who do not act like archie bunker(our hero)but look like us and have more money than us. beware of these people.
quite frankly most of the pro development crowd doesnt care to hear Hiram spout his rhetoric out of both sides of his mouth because once the plan passes he'll be handing out fliers in the new WP asking for votes.
and pro development people are not averse to the anti development people making fools of themselves while bringing attention to their mess.
i mean of all the stupid ideas - blocking traffic at Shea is NO WAY to gain support for your cause.
"i mean of all the stupid ideas - blocking traffic at Shea is NO WAY to gain support for your cause."
No, it was meant to get on the TV and in the newspapers, which it did. What traffic was blocked? Real NYers know to take the subway to the game anyway.
You don't know what tweeding really means. Which is because you only discovered this blog after your buddy was profiled.
" No, it was meant to get on the TV and in the newspapers, which it did"
where? NY Sun? where is all the coverage? i saw more that Crown Containers took a deal from the city
no one cares about your made up code words to rationalize your racism.
tweeder - created by the Kweens Krap Commenters and derived from Boss Tweed of the mid 1800's to represent the supposed corrupt politicians who use their money and influence to foist immigrants and less fortunate people on the good (regular) people of New York.
Overdevelopment means promoting building even though an area's infrastructure can't handle it. This usually happens in areas inhabited primarily by people of color, but is happening increasingly in other areas as well.
Tweeding politicians keep people's votes by making them dependent on their handouts. Minorities are typically the targets of this abuse, which only makes their situation worse in the long run. Of course "affordable housing" has been driving the debate over whether anything should be built at Willets Point. Affordable housing is usually not clearly defined, there is never enough available since we lose existing affordable housing on a daily basis, and those who advocate for it usually end up getting shut out of it.
It's called using and abusing, and Queens Crap is one of the few outlets that call attention to the fact that this is happening.
If you don't like us pointing out the blatant racism of these policies, move to Kansas.
Do tell me julie-
"areas inhabited primarily by people of color"???
I've never hearda more carefully worded racial baiting comment .
are areas where you live defined by the color of the people who live there???
Is this 1948 or 2008?
And according to you minorities are the primary beneficiaries of handouts??? Wow.. Make my point a little more obvious
affordable housing is always very clearly defined by income levels without regard to "skin color
So what's in Kansas that I should move there??
It's called masking your racial hatred in buzzwords..and it stinks more than willets point
People of color is a perfectly acceptable term to use in this day and age. The antiquated term you are thinking of is "colored people" which is now considered to be derogatory.
Yes, minorities are the primary beneficiaries of handouts. That's why the politicians continue to tweed them. It's a vicious cycle. Did you not notice that ACORN is made up almost exclusively of blacks and hispanics?
"affordable housing is always very clearly defined by income levels"
What are the income levels and who determines them? The income levels always seem on the high side. That's because they don't want to face the monumental task of having to market luxury condos where there are people living that the yuppies might consider "undesirable". Those are the real racists. The people you want to see move in here.
Affordable housing? All housing is affordable to someone out there. The term is a joke.
So a woman with 2 kids raising them alone on a $35,000 a year salary will be able to afford to live at the new Willets Point? Because $1,000 a month may be all that's affordable to her. I doubt it.
welcome to the Kweens Krap Kommenters Klub julie --\\your white sheet is available for pickup/
so "colored people" is derogatory and "people of color" is not..
stay anonymous. thats a mindbogglingly asinine statement
"are areas where you live defined by the color of the people who live there"
Yeah. Ever listen to the news? They say the "Hasidic Jewish community of Crown Heights", the "Irish-American community of Woodside", etc. all the time when talking about an area.
i hadnt noticed that most of the acorn people are black and hispanic.. but you obviously did..
welcome to the Kweens Krap Kommenters Klub/
so "colored people" is derogatory and "people of color" is not..
stay anonymous. thats a mindbogglingly asinine statement
Nope, you're a mindbogglingly asinine asshole for being so ignorant as to not know the difference. Here you go, brainiac:
Person of color
Colored
i hadnt noticed that most of the acorn people are black and hispanic..
But you just happened to notice that all the people at the CPC rally were Mexican day laborers hired by Feinstein, right? Admit it, you're a KKK wannabe from LI who loves the Mets.
OH MY GOD THIS MORON DOESN'T KNOW THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THOSE TWO TERMS? WHERE DOES HE LIVE...MARS? LOL LOL LOL
but i thought you said earlier in
another incredible racial stereotype that they'll market the luxury condos to the "Koreans and Asians" who you claim will "live anywhere without regard to pollution".
notice at the end of your first paragraph on wikipedia - the free encyclopedia contributed to by anyone - "CITATION NEEDED"
thats because there is no reference for the statement and it is ridiculous.
he "citation needed" link you just followed was placed there because a Wikipedia editor feels that the preceding statement is likely to be challenged, and therefore needs an inline citation. If you can provide a source to back up the statement, please be bold and add it. If not, please exercise extra caution when using the flagged information. If the statement violates Wikipedia's policy on biographies of living persons, delete it immediately.
Wasn't me who said that. We're all anonymous here, must have been someone else.
why do you people continue to characterize people by the color of their skin?
like that matters at all.
Citation needed? Give me a break. Read the rest of it. There are citations for the rest of it. And have you been living under a rock? I hear and read the term "people of color" used by politicians, actors, commentators ALL THE TIME. Maybe if you read something other than McShane's blog you'd know that.
recognizing the color of a small group of people is a far cry different than making broad characterizations on whole racial or ethnic groups with no basis in fact.
if you were there - which you weren't - you could make the same statement of fact.
You did that first, buddy, by claiming "the illegals" were given $100 each by Feinstein for coming to the rally. Talk about masking racial hatred in buzzwords...
none of those references hold any water ..
william safire?
Elizabeth Martinez
Sara Koopman
give it up.. a pig is a pig whether you call it a hog or a swine.
You did that first, buddy, by claiming "the illegals" were given $100 each by Feinstein for coming to the rally.
maybe i was there and saw exactly that./
"So a woman with 2 kids raising them alone on a $35,000 a year salary will be able to afford to live at the new Willets Point? Because $1,000 a month may be all that's affordable to her. I doubt it."
Who ever said that a person should have a government-imposed right to live wherever they want? Who told her to have two kids if she couldn't afford it.
tweeder - created by the Kweens Krap Commenters and derived from Boss Tweed of the mid 1800's to represent the supposed corrupt politicians who use their money and influence to foist immigrants and less fortunate people on the good (regular) people of New York.
you clubhouse boys like to twist things, dont you, but this is typical of a one party state.
'tweeding' is the use of public money to buy votes so you can stay in office and make honest graft.
how do I know you are political? only a politican would call tweed 'supposedly' corrupt.
he was convicted and imprisoned you stupid party hack.
you guys never never never say a bad thing about each other, do you?
Its called honor among theves, I believe.
it may to too complex a term for you people but has anyone ever heard of supply and demand?
the concept is - and ill make this as simple as possible - that adding more housing will increase the supply with the ultimate goal of meeting demand.
so if there are 6000 new housing units in WP OTHER units will be freed up for people to live in..
very simple concept. any questions?
"'tweeding' is a made up word.. nothing more.
so all politicians are corrupt? boy are we in trouble. time to move to Wyoming.. I hear unibomber Ted Kazinski's shack is for sale.
whacko concept.
you people are beyond hope.. suggest you all move to ghana or some such place and set up a commune of like people.. jim jones like.. then you all can drink your own koolaide all day.
then you wont have to worry about "people of color" or "corrupt politicans" or any other code word to mask your hatred of people not like yourselves.
recognizing the color of a small group of people is a far cry different than making broad characterizations on whole racial or ethnic groups with no basis in fact.
here we have the ignoramus try to justify his own prejudice by saying it's perfectly ok for him to notice a "small" group of "illegals" (mexicans) when doing so helps bolster his argument, but it's not okay for others to notice that ACORN, also a small group, is made up primarily of people of color. reallly smart way to argue a point.
The NAACP uses the term "people of color" liberally. Let them be the last word on the subject.
"Who ever said that a person should have a government-imposed right to live wherever they want?"
Whoever said that a baseball team should have a government-imposed right to have fantasyland built across the street from them instead of what was there when they moved in?
"none of those references hold any water ..
william safire?
Elizabeth Martinez
Sara Koopman"
And the EDC does? LOL LOL LOL LOL
"so if there are 6000 new housing units in WP OTHER units will be freed up for people to live in.."
Except that you said earlier that there are 3 families living in a one-bedroom, so how does what you just said make any sense?
Who told her to have two kids if she couldn't afford it.
Who told the Mets to build a new stadium if they couldn't afford it on their own?
"the concept is - and ill make this as simple as possible - that adding more housing will increase the supply with the ultimate goal of meeting demand."
HA HA HA HA HA There are a million more people supposedly coming, haven't you heard? We're beyond capacity now, do you think we're going to build a million more housing units by 2030? And that 5,500 is going to make a dent in that? HA HA HA HA HA
Glad the asswipe admits that a woman making $35,000 will not be able to live in the new development. We need more honest straight talk like this.
millions of people coming?? jeepers.. lets start building a great wall around queens and fast!!
who is the ignoramus?
you people may really have no clue of the depth of your prejudice.. which is very very scary
National Association for the Advancement of Colored People
yeah..thats a group we should all aspire to emulate.. one that practices reverse discrimination.
"but it's not okay for others to notice that ACORN, also a small group, is made up primarily of people of color. "
no.. its NOT ok.. you making generalizations about a group with 350,000 members - most of which you have never met is NOT the same as an eyewitness making a comment on a crowd of 25 protesters..who the eyewitness observed for more than an hour.
get a grip on your irrational fears and prjudices.
and so what if ACORN has people of color/ what does that add to the discussion?
my comment on the protesters speaks directly to their motivations. what does YOUR comment speak to??
so what's the queens crap solution for overcrowding in the borough???
A. Stick your head in the sand and complain about every building permit and become more bitter every day?
B. Start shipping everyone who doesn't look like us back where they came from?
C. Move somewhere else and let the "people of color" have the stinking hole ?
categorizing and making generalizations on peoples beliefs, lifestyle and socioeconomic standing based on the color of their skin is the basis of racism and prejudice..
That's a fact jack.
"you making generalizations about a group with 350,000 members - most of which you have never met is NOT the same as an eyewitness making a comment on a crowd of 25 protesters.."
Were all the ACORN protesters there that day black and hispanic? It certaiinly looked that way from the photos. Can we not then assume that the rest of the membership is as well? There's no racism here. Nice try.
"so what's the queens crap solution for overcrowding in the borough???"
Been through this many times.
Stop the sanctuary city policies, stop self-certification, and stop upzoning areas before infrastructure is in place to support new housing.
"millions of people coming?? jeepers.. lets start building a great wall around queens and fast!!
who is the ignoramus?"
Obviously you are. The mayor's been saying we'll have a million more people in this city by 2030 for 2 years now.
Testifying against the project was Michael Gerrard, an environmental lawyer representing the Willets Point Industry and Realty Association. He noted that the project would wreak havoc to an already oversaturated traffic problem in the area.
“This project will have a catastrophic effect on the Van Wyck Expressway,” he said. “If the city’s plans are approved, every day will look like there’s a Subway Series going on at Shea. Good luck catching a flight out of LaGuardia Airport on time.”
NAACP= Negroes Are Actually Colored Polacks
Testifying against the project was Michael Gerrard, an environmental lawyer representing the Willets Point Industry and Realty Association
obviously non biased with no dog in the fight.
The mayor's been saying we'll have a million more people in this city by 2030 for 2 years now.
so is it one million or "Millions" as you contended before. and we are talking over 20 years from now which isnt a huge growth rate.
Were all the ACORN protesters there that day black and hispanic? It certaiinly looked that way from the photos. Can we not then assume that the rest of the membership is as well?
again.. what relevance is the racial make up of ACORN in the discussion other than to satiate your racial fears and prejudices.
When did anyone here say "millions" besides you?
No one did. Ignore him, he obviously can't read or comprehend basic words.
and your assumption that the racial profile of 20 protesters represents the racial makeup of 350,000 members is flawed.
but thats besides the point..
there were some white women as i recall..
but im sure you characterize them as welfare mothers who have no right having children if they cant afford it.
"but im sure you characterize them as welfare mothers who have no right having children if they cant afford it."
no, that's actually what you said when you were asked about a single mother with 2 kids who makes $35,000 per annum not being able to afford to live at Willets Point.
the point of the comment stands .. one million added people in 20 years is a minimal growth rate..
you are obviously missing or refuse to acknowledge the points .. which proves you have no argument..
I believe in the old saying, "Never argue with a moron - first he'll pull you down to his level, then beat you with experience!" You are proving that with each comment since you keep avoiding simple direct questions and try to divert the subject to things that are totally irrelevant.
"one million added people in 20 years"
Also has no historical precedent, but why bring that up.
Thanks for a completely stupid analogy comparing a hypothetical low-income single mother who wants an entitlement to live wherever she wants to the Mets and the city working together for the Mets to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new stadium, injecting money, creating jobs and improving the community.
"...to the Mets and the city working together for the Mets to spend hundreds of millions of dollars to build a new stadium, injecting money, creating jobs and improving the community."
Ha! Ha! Ha! I believe you meant the developers' are going to clean up at taxpayers expense. How is the "communtiy" going to improve because there is a new stadium when the old one could have been renovated? How are the people of Queens and the rest of the metropolitan area going to benefit with 12,000 seats removed and ticket prices raised by 79%?
Everybody knows that the KKK uses colorfully patterned Martha Stewart designer series sheets these days
(ha, ha, ha).
Your Klan parody is humorless
and falls a little flat.
Just another feeble attempt at diversion from some of the truthful analysis that's appearing in many of the comments posted here.
(Sounds like Parkside's speed).
You'll never cut it even as a third rate stand up comic Evan.
Give it up.
Big mamma will maintain you on your weekly allowance
(a drop in the bucket from that vast Stavisky war chest).
Oops...now you've challenged Evan and he's off to his favorite haunt
the "Spy Shop"(if it's still in business) for some state of the art snooping or hacking devices.
You'd all better make sure your
computers have a good firewall!
Toby & Son are f-----g pissed now that Peter Koo has the upper hand.
They'll stop at nothing now.
Considering that ACORN's roots are in the old Communist Party of the United States, hearing them talk about the inalienable rights of property owners always gives me a good giggle.
Now that the 40-year program to drive manufacturing of the city is about completed, how do you find a job for a guy whose only skill is cutting up a stolen car for parts?
Oh F--K this all!
An owner has the right to squeeze
a buyer and get what he wants for his property without being forced out through eminent domain abuse!
Wilpon can just raise the price of his expensive corporate sky boxes to cover any property purchase overages.
A game is being played here that has nothing to do with baseball!
Enough already!
If anyone thought they were going to grab this land for peanuts
had best go and consult with the squirrels!
An owner has the right to squeeze
a buyer and get what he wants for his property without being forced out through eminent domain abuse!
sorry .. a thousand years of history says this is completely wrong.. wanna try again with a different premise?
Taking private land and giving it to private developers has not been going on for 1000 years. I'd hate to have had your history teacher.
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