Sunday, August 1, 2010

The Bloomberg solution to illegal immigration


From Yahoo:

Opponents of the Justice Department's lawsuit challenging the enforcement of Arizona's controversial illegal-immigration law have hit upon a strategy to highlight what they contend is a gaping inconsistency in the Justice Department's policy priorities. Why should federal attorneys be targeting the Arizona law as an alleged obstacle to coherent and centralized enforcement of federal immigration statutes, they argue, while Justice officials also have done nothing to challenge the legal status of so-called sanctuary cities, which effectively block enforcement of the same federal law?

More than 30 cities, including San Francisco, Los Angeles, New York, Miami, Denver, Chicago, Washington, D.C., and Dallas, have local ordinances on the books that prevent police from asking about a person’s immigration status. The Arizona law would allow officers to question a person’s immigration status and report them to federal authorities if that person is believed to be in the country illegally. The crackdown could prompt illegal immigrants to seek refuge out of Arizona and into those sanctuary cities.

A Justice Department official told the Washington Times there is nothing hypocritical about the government going after Arizona while ignoring sanctuary cities and suggested it won’t step up enforcement. Administration officials say they want to seek and deport criminal immigrants. Indeed, a recent Washington Post report found that deportation of illegal immigrants has spiked significantly under the Obama administration. But federal officials insist they don’t have the capability or resources to remove the hundreds of thousands of immigrants who haven’t had run-ins with the police.


Okay, then how about stopping them from getting in?

From the NY Times:

Federal maritime law requires that foreign-flagged vessels contact customs officials when they arrive at American ports, even if arriving from another American port. Immigration officials are permitted to board foreign-flagged vessels anytime, said Officer John F. Saleh, a spokesman for United States Customs and Border Protection. Coast Guard officials, who joined in the stop, are allowed to board any vessel at any time in American waters.

Maritime laws and their enforcement have tightened since 9/11. In the past several years, for example, the Coast Guard division on Staten Island — which patrols New York Harbor, the western half of Long Island Sound and the southern Hudson River — has stepped up its scrutiny of smaller foreign-flagged vessels, said Charles Rowe, a spokesman for the Coast Guard in New York City.

Mr. Rowe said that under the program, “Operation Small Fry,” Coast Guard officials, along with federal and local law enforcement personnel, have boarded about 750 such boats a year, to enforce customs, immigration and maritime laws.

It is frustrating for those with foreign flags, said the manager of a luxury marina in the Hamptons, who insisted on anonymity to avoid offending any of his clients. But, he added, “They really can’t complain because the reason they’re foreign-flagged is to avoid paying taxes.”


From the Wall Street Journal:

The immigration debate is reviving the explosive idea of denying citizenship to children born on U.S. soil if their parents are in the country illegally.

A U.S. senator and a state lawmaker in Arizona, both central players in the battle over immigration law, separately proposed this week that "birthright" citizenship be denied to the children of illegal immigrants. They said the change would help stem the flood of illegal border crossings.

Immigration-rights activists say citizenship isn't a significant driver of illegal immigration, because a child has to reach age 21 to petition for permanent legal residency for his or her parents.

A federal judge changed Arizona's new immigration law, just before it went into effect.

In Arizona, Republican state Sen. Russell Pearce, the architect of the immigration law that drew a legal challenge from the Obama administration, said he wanted to deny U.S. citizenship to children born in his state to illegal immigrants.

At issue is the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution, enacted in 1868 to ensure that states not deny former slaves the full rights of citizenship. It states: "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside."

Mr. Pearce, like some other proponents of the change, argued that the amendment as written doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. Because illegal immigrants aren't "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., as the amendment requires, they fall outside its protection, these people argue. A group of House lawmakers made a similar argument when they tried to pass legislation changing the birthright principle in 2005.

Given the controversial nature of this proposal, successfully amending the Constitution would be considered a long shot. It requires a vote of two-thirds of the House and of the Senate, and must be ratified by three-fourths of state legislators.


Why would it be a long shot? Sounds like common sense that would save us billions. Oh that's right...tweeding.

28 comments:

Anonymous said...

someone needs to shoot this little troll and put us out of our misery.

Anonymous said...

this mayor and other elected officials in nyc have to be recalled for enabling the sanctuary city forced on the citizens.we no longer can sustain the cost of social services for these illegal aliens and their anchor children.

some how this issue has to be placed on a ballot for a vote by the electorate as soon as possible. a republican NYS attorney general and governor might take this problem on. REMEMBER IN NOVEMBER

other border states are preparing to join Arizona with their immigration law to challenge the D.O.IN-JUSTICE law suit.

the Arizona case is being appealed to the 9th CIRCUIT COURT in San Francisco and then possibly to the SUPREME COURT OF THE UNITED STATES.

hopefully the obama gang will not force amnesty on the nation,before the courts decide finally.

Lino said...

"Mr. Pearce, like some other proponents of the change, argued that the amendment as written doesn't apply to illegal immigrants. Because illegal immigrants aren't "subject to the jurisdiction" of the U.S., as the amendment requires, they fall outside its protection, these people argue"

Is there some congenital reason why these republicans are so thick and stupid?

The amendment says "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside "

So, as it stands here (and in many other countries) born here= citizen. As for their parents, they too are subject to the "jurisdiction thereof" -the USA as our countries are not at war. That's the way it works in all civilized countries.

I'll be back in Siam a week from now, and subject to their (troubled) laws even though I am American.


I understand the concerns about the "anchor baby" issue. I don't have an answer for this problem, but those children born here ARE citizens.

Klink Cannoli said...

Lino wrote:
Is there some congenital reason why these republicans are so thick and stupid?
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History and the birth of precedence is but a mere problem...

An excellent read by Yale law professor Polly J. Price titled, Natural Law and Birthright Citizenship in Calvin's Case (1608).

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/maternity/9YJLH73.htm

Ejumacate!

Anonymous said...

NO QUARTER GIVEN!

Round 'em up and send those "wetbacks" packing!

Anonymous said...

Greater civilizations than ours in the past have perished do to uncontrolled immigration!

As an American Indian friend of mine once said, "Look what happened to our nation because we failed to control our borders"!

Anonymous said...

The Democratic Party is watered by the stream of immigrants.

Without them, and the opportunity to tweed, it would wither and die.

Anonymous said...

Oooh...that last comment will coax that old ghost poster "Salvatore" ought of the woodwork.

Hey Sal...where have you been (LOL)?

We miss your posts.

Anonymous said...

Yes....the tweeded grow like weeds under the care of nurturing Democratic gardeners.

cherokeesista said...

Anonymous said...
someone needs to shoot this little troll and put us out of our misery.

Sunday, August 01, 2010

AMEN!!!!!! Bloomy needs illegals!!!
And if it's ok that they BREAK THE LAW WHY THE HELL SHOULD THE REST OF US "AMERICAN CITIZENS" OBEY THE LAWS!!!!

Anonymous said...

i won't get into the facts on immigration vs. military spending and pensions...and what's actually tanking our economy...but as usual, most of the readers here want to give them badges so we can identify they easily, put them in camps when we catch them, and send them around in rail cars. i've seen this behavior before.

people get so racist when the economy gets bad. people get very religious when security and schools get bad. it's happened time and time again. let's be better than our predecessors, friends.

Anonymous said...

turn off fox news for a second and read a book on economics, kiddies.

Anonymous said...

Just give Mike a good enema.

Once the crap runs out of him he'll shrink even smaller.

Then he can be mailed back to his compound in Bermuda in (of course) a first class envelope...befitting the first class lifestyle he's accustomed to.

georgetheatheist said...

"Greater civilizations than ours in the past have perished do to uncontrolled immigration!

As an American Indian friend of mine once said, "Look what happened to our nation because we failed to control our borders"!"
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Tell your Beringian friend that he never had his own "nation" with its own "borders". The Beringian (sometimes known as "Indians") invaders stole the continent from the indigenous European Solutrean culture sometime during the Ice Age. The Beringian/Indians were not the original inhabitants of the continent.

Anonymous said...

re:I WON'T GET INTO THE FACTS......no one accepts a bully jumping the line to an event in n.y.c.why should "ILLEGAL" aliens be permitted to jump the line in front of "LEGAL " IMMIGRANTS ?

your NAZI (national SOCIALIST DEMOCRAT party analogy that took place in Germany in 1939 is completely bogus and is mis- information.

it will not be accepted by most of us at Q.C.
we will not demonize you,just expose you.

Anonymous said...

fact check - immigrant jews were rounded up and relocated beginning in 1933 - when the german economy bottomed out.

just drawing parallels here, that's all.

you guys sure this isn't a staten island blog? so much hate!

Anonymous said...

If immigrant labor is so necessary for the US economy, replace illegal immigrants with legal immigrants while sending the illegal ones home. Even if illegal immigrants can not be deported for some reason, there is no necessity for giving them a path to citizenship. Replace family reunification emphasis with emphasis on skills, as Mayor Bloomberg suggests.

Children born to two illegal immigrant parents should not get citizenship with its claim on a piece of America's resources. It all hinges on the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction." Note that the American born children of the recent embedded Russian spies were sent back to the homeland they never knew? Also, if a woman purposefully breaks the law that allows her to be on American soil, how can you claim she is indeed "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States?

Joe said...

Did I miss something ?

When did these "hundreds of thousands of" pieces of shit parasites trespassing & pilfering our country become immigrants" ?

Want to get rid of them?
Jail everybody who hires them MANDATORY JAIL.
Just like carrying an illegal handgun.
You then bring in armed milita ro round em up and throw them on N Brother Island along with the scumbag mayor for deportation.
(The LGA runway is 2 miles away)
Tyrants have no rights, F_ federal law NYC needs to Balkanize

Just Us said...

If abortion laws could be retroactive, Bloomcrap would be a reason to pass 'em!

Anonymous said...

"If immigrant labor is so necessary for the US economy, replace illegal immigrants with legal immigrants while sending the illegal ones home. Even if illegal immigrants can not be deported for some reason, there is no necessity for giving them a path to citizenship. Replace family reunification emphasis with emphasis on skills, as Mayor Bloomberg suggests.

Children born to two illegal immigrant parents should not get citizenship with its claim on a piece of America's resources. It all hinges on the meaning of "subject to the jurisdiction." Note that the American born children of the recent embedded Russian spies were sent back to the homeland they never knew? Also, if a woman purposefully breaks the law that allows her to be on American soil, how can you claim she is indeed "subject to the jurisdiction" of the United States?"

AMEN!

Anonymous said...

georgetheatheist said...

"Greater civilizations than ours in the past have perished do to uncontrolled immigration!

As an American Indian friend of mine once said, "Look what happened to our nation because we failed to control our borders"!"
----------------------------------
Tell your Beringian friend that he never had his own "nation" with its own "borders". The Beringian (sometimes known as "Indians") invaders stole the continent from the indigenous European Solutrean culture sometime during the Ice Age. The Beringian/Indians were not the original inhabitants of the continent.

Sunday, August 01, 2010

Wrong again George with shoddy "science" regurgitated from Hibben.

You mean Polynesian and Ainu genetic background but your ideology got in the way.

http://www.bauuinstitute.com/Articles/EuropeansAmerica.html

Anonymous said...

this was so staged! first we need to get the illegals out of here. they're not helping the state/city they're killing us. they don't pay into income tax and bleeding our hospitals. companies should be fined if they hire them, they're breaking the law too. so sick of the b.s and the protest they have like they have rights! i have to show proof if i go into a dept. store, open a bank account, if i drive, to apply for a social security, passport.. why do they think they should be allowed to stay without paying big fines? the ones who came here properly are pissed off too. if you go to another country you have to show proof and espeically in mexico or they jail you. so the hell with the illegals send them home packing and if they want to be here do it the correct way.

Deke DaSilva said...

Is there some congenital reason why these republicans are so thick and stupid?

There you go again with the useless political labels!

Irregardless of your political party, you're still a convenient whipping boy.

I'll be back in Siam a week from now, and subject to their (troubled) laws even though I am American.

Golly, thanks for informing us of your whereabouts! You might have worried us!

Have fun in Soi 2 and 4, you katoey lover!

Hey Sal...where have you been (LOL)?

He's still around, he's rebranded himself as "Lino".

Juan Mann said...

Mexican Leaders: In Their Own Words

Former Mexican President Ernesto Zedillo at the National Council of La Raza (The Race) meeting in Chicago, July 23, 1997: "I have proudly affirmed that the Mexican nation extends beyond the territory enclosed by its borders and that Mexican migrants are an important - a very important - part of it."

Juan Hernandez, while serving on Mexican President Vicente Fox's cabinet, told ABC's "Nightline": "We are betting that the Mexican-American population in the United States . . . will think Mexico first."

Mexican President Vicente Fox, May, 2005: "There is no doubt that Mexican men and women, full of dignity, drive and a capacity for work, are doing the jobs that not even blacks want to do there, in the United States."

According to the Mexican Constitution, Capitulo II, Articulo 30, the child born to, or begotten by, a Mexican is a Mexican, regardless of where he is born.

"The Mexicans by birth shall be…The individuals born abroad from Mexican parents who were born within national territory, from a Mexican father who was born within national territory or from a Mexican mother who was born within national territory…The Individuals born abroad from naturalized Mexican parents, from a naturalized Mexican father or from a naturalized Mexican mother…

[Son mexicanos por nacimiento…los que nazcan en el extranjero, hijos de padres mexicanos nacidos en territorio nacional, de padre mexicano nacido en territorio nacional, o de madre mexicana nacida en territorio nacional;
… los que nazcan en el extranjero, hijos de padres mexicanos por naturalizacion, de padre mexicano por naturalizacion, o de madre mexicana por naturalizacion…]

So, why is the United States declaring all these anchor babies as American citizens?

Shouldn't Mexico be taking care of it's own citizens?

Anonymous said...

fact check - immigrant jews were rounded up and relocated beginning in 1933 - when the german economy bottomed out. just drawing parallels here, that's all.

Fact check: Israel wants its illegals out, too, and to keep the blood of the state "pure"

Anonymous said...

Bloomberg knits together the issues of 12 million undocumented and shortages of skilled labor. They are two entirely different issues. The U.S. does have special reserved green cards for skilled labor the country need, our programs are easily ten times the size of those in the European Union and other major economies.

Anonymous said...

in response to bloomberg's and cuomo's remarks about religious freedom and the building of the mosque near the W.T.C. site, a must read is dorothy rabinowitz's column in wsj.com",LIBERAL PIETY AND THE MEMORY OF 9/11"

When a car bomb was discovered in Times Square in May, Bloomberg suggested every possible motivation
but the obvious one: ISLAMIST TERROR.

Anonymous said...

"Shouldn't Mexico be taking care of it's own citizens?"

AMEN! The Mexican government encourages illegal immigration because it helps get rid of their poorest and most uneducated. Only Mexicans with money stay in Mexico.

Mexicans come here to protest for Immigration reform, but did nothing to protest conditions in their own country!