Wednesday, June 2, 2010

How much did this cost us?

A copy of this 14 page, full color report about our drinking water was mailed to what I can only assume is every household in the city since it was addressed to me personally "or current resident". I found mine in my mailbox on Saturday.

Add up the cost of writing it, taking and editing the photos, laying it out, printing it and mailing it in your head. I can only guess that this venture cost us taxpayers a few million dollars. Let's not even get into how many trees were wasted for this. Don't see a "recycled paper" symbol anywhere on it.

Please remember that we have money for things like this next time the mayor threatens to close a firehouse or tells you there is no money to collect garbage or create a new park in your 'hood.

Click the photo to see your tax dollars at work.


Anonymous said...

Is this mailing an admission of guilt? Read this very carefully!

Now read about fluoride in our drinking water from a NYC government agency! Horrifying!!!

Anonymous said...

From the mailing by NYC:

DEP is one of the many drinking water systems in New York State that treats drinking water with a controlled, low level of fluoride for consumer dental health protection. According to the United States Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), fluoride is very effective in preventing cavities when present in drinking water at an optimal range of 0.8 to 1.2 mg/L. The New York City Health Code requires a fluoride concentration of 1.0 mg/L, with an acceptable range of 0.9 to 1.1 mg/L. To ensure that the fluoride supplement in your water provides optimal dental protection, NYSDOH requires that we monitor fluoride levels on a daily basis. In 2009, none of the monitoring results showed fluoride at levels that approach the 2.2 mg/L maximum contaminant level (MCL) for fluoride.
During 2009, fluoride was not continuously supplied in the Catskill/Delaware System due to repair work on the fluoride feed system. Fluoridation on the Catskill System was offline over 17% of the time with the longest period of fluoridation interruption being approximately 43 days, from July 25, 2009 through September 6, 2009, due to a silica build up in the acid solution pipe. Fluoridation on the Delaware System was offline 16% of the time with the longest period of fluoridation interruption being approximately 23 days, from September 22, 2009 through October 15, 2009, also due to a silica build up in the acid solution pipe. NYSDOH Bureau of Dental Health has indicated that a brief interruption of fluoridation to the Catskill/Delaware System is not expected to have a significant impact on dental health. Interruption of fluoridation in 2009 did not require public notification.

Anonymous said...

i'm surprised there wasn't a mailing weeks earlier telling us our water quality report would be arriving soon, like they did with the census...morons

it's maddening

Anonymous said...

As for WHY you get that mailing - I believe it's federal law - they MUST report to every customer the status of the water system yearly. As I said, not sure if it's Fed, or State law, so...

Klink Cannoli said...

I can't believe after 50 years there are still people crying about fluoride. Environmentalism has indeed become the new religion.

Anonymous said...

put it another way, it costs 24 million dollars a year to fluoridate the drinking water for NYC. Fluoride doesn't treat the water, it treats those who consume it. Get it? This isn't an environmental issue. Fluoride is an industrial waste from phosphate and aluminum factories. Bad man poison you.

Anonymous said...

Once again, Klink has too tight a grip on his cannoli!

Anonymous said...

Fluoride has virtually eliminated cavities. As for the report - put it online if it's mandated by the feds. What a freaken waste of paper!

Anonymous said...

Fluoride has virtually eliminated cavities.

At what cost? Because people are too lazy to maintain good oral hygiene habits, it's OK to add a poison to the water? And how do you explain adding fluoride to products for babies who don't even have teeth yet? There are two sides to every story. If you want to believe the "big brother" rationale that suggests that all is well, that's YOUR problem. Read this:

LibertyBoyNYC said...

Fluoride is to clean the pipes from caking buildup, just like for your teeth. Let the water sit for a while in the fridge, it dissipates! And, grow up!

My problem is that this is the same pamphlet they sent last year and the year before - just with more expensive graphics and a new layout as Crapper points out. Is that really necessary? Won't a one-color mailer do?

Anonymous said...

"Fluoride is to clean the pipes from caking buildup, just like for your teeth. Let the water sit for a while in the fridge, it dissipates! And, grow up!"

How many people let their water sit before drinking?

"Most European countries have now rejected the process of water fluoridation. Their children’s teeth have not suffered from this rejection. The cost/benefit ratio of fluoridated water no longer warrants the presence of fluoride in drinking water."

Anonymous said...

I agree with Liberty Boy. Why should the people of NYC be given facts about fluoride that's not in line with the propaganda sheet? They don't have the intelligence to make informed decisions. Case in point: Bloomberg's re-election. A referendum would be out of the question. After all, some fluoride provider is making big bucks and that's OK with me. Why keep fire houses open when we can consume fluoride? Yum Yum

Anonymous said...

After all, some fluoride provider is making big bucks

A friend of Bloomturd? Just sayin'...

Klink Cannoli said...

Anon wrote:
"Fluoride doesn't treat the water, it treats those who consume it. Get it? This isn't an environmental issue."

It's this type of faulty logic that permeates environmentalists and why it can legitimately be labeled of such proponents preachers of faith rather than men of reason.

Fluoride is added to an environmental material, water, therefore it becomes part of the environment. Human intervention does not negate an objects inclusion to its relative classification. Well okay, unless you're a medieval alchemist.

Also Fluoride is an organic compound. But it sounds so much scarier when you describe its inorganic source as a waste product.

The whole tooth said...

Someone suggested that I should stop using fluoride a couple of years ago. Cursed with bad teeth and visits to the dentist that usually resulted in having a tooth or two drilled, I was skeptical but went cold turkey. I found a natural toothpaste with no fluoride added, flossed more often and more carefully, and cut down on sugar laden beverages. Another change I made was that I stopped drinking NYC water (poured through a Brita filtr). I used bottled distilled water instead. In 40+ years, my last 2 dental visits indicated improvement...AND NO DRILLING! Fluoride for cavities is now, in my opinion, a lie that needs to be exposed!

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't surtprise me if Klink has money invested in a company that provides fluoride to NYC. Apparently he could care less if fluoride is harmful. He is fixated on making a point which he apparently has little expertise. A word of advice Klink. Better to keep your mouth shut and let people think you're a fool rather than keep opening it and proving that you're a fool!!!

Anonymous said...

"Today the fluorides that goes in our drinking water is almost exclusively raw industrial pollution from the Florida Phosphate Industry. It’s a waste that’s scrubbed from the smokestacks and trucked in tankers and dumped into reservoirs. That is a raw industrial poison.

AMY GOODMAN: Wait a second. Rat poison?

CHRISTOPHER BRYSON: Yes. Sodium fluoride is used as a rat poison for a long time."

"CHRISTOPHER BRYSON: The public health service endorsed it in 1950 and by and large, it is not given over to referendum. This is a democracy issue. When it is submitted to the votes, far more often than not, voters give it the thumbs down. Mostly it is by fiat or dictate. In New York City, for example it was the board of estimates that signed up for it, that gave it the green light. So, that’s—

AMY GOODMAN: Where does it come from?


AMY GOODMAN: Where do they ship it in from? Do they have to dump it on a regular basis in the reservoirs?

CHRISTOPHER BRYSON: Yeah the fluoride comes up—we were talking about 9/11. Since 9/11, there has been a lot of concern about the safety of these fluoride tankers. So toxic are the contents of the fluoride tankers coming from the Florida Phosphate Industry to New York City or all over the country that there is a fear that the tankers high jacked."

Anonymous said...


- Fluoride is a waste by-product of the fertilizer and aluminum industry and it's also a Part II Poison under the UK Poisons Act 1972.

- Fluoride is one of the basic ingredients in both PROZAC (FLUoxetene Hydrochloride) and Sarin nerve gas (Isopropyl-Methyl-Phosphoryl FLUoride).

- USAF Major George R. Jordan testified before Un-American Activity committees of Congress in the 1950's that in his post as U.S.-Soviet liaison officer, the Soviets openly admitted to "Using the fluoride in the water supplies in their concentration camps, to make the prisoners stupid, docile, and subservient."

- The first occurrence of fluoridated drinking water on Earth was found in Germany's Nazi prison camps. The Gestapo had little concern about fluoride's supposed effect on children's teeth; their alleged reason for mass-medicating water with sodium fluoride was to sterilize humans and force the people in their concentration camps into calm submission. (Ref. book: "The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben" by Joseph Borkin.)

- 97% of western Europe has rejected fluoridated water due to the known health risks, however 10% of Britons drink it and the UK government is trying to fast track the fluoridation of the entire country's water supply.

- In Germany, Belgium and Luxembourg fluoridation of water was rejected because it was classified as compulsive medication against the subject's will and therefore violated fundamental human rights.

- In November of 2006, the American Dental Association (ADA) advised that parents should avoid giving babies fluoridated water.

- Sources of fluoride include: fluoride dental products, fluoride pesticides, fluoridated pharmaceuticals, processed foods made with fluoridated water, and tea."

Hey Klink---Going open your yap again about this issue?

Anonymous said...

Have a glass of mercury on me and let me know how you feel tomorrow.
A friend

Anonymous said...

Be careful! That dumbass might actually take you up on that. Although Klink does seem to enjoy ingesting toxic materials.

Anonymous said...

- In November of 2006, the American Dental Association (ADA) advised that parents should avoid giving babies fluoridated water.

Dentists make money filling caveties. No Flouride, no $$$. Which is also more and more kids "need" braces.

Klink Cannoli said...

The synonymous Anonymous:

Insults and death threats. Such charming character traits. Is that what they teach in environmental studies, naturopathy, chiropractic, herbalism, meditation, yoga, biofeedback, hypnosis, homeopathy, acupuncture and other quack pseudo-sciences? Or are you just born that way?

Of course fluoride can be deadly. Most all natural and engineered compounds ingested into your body in abundance will cause you harm. Cripes, if you drink enough water, pure H2O, you can kill yourself. So let's stop this silliness now before I spank the both of you across your brains. The amount of fluoride in the water supply is heavily regulated and tested daily to assure safe and effective levels in combating dental caries. One of the most widespread chronic diseases of the 20th century reduced in upwards of 40% due in part to fluorinated water.

This might be a little difficult for your brains to absorb because there's a little chemistry involved, but be brave. I know it goes against an inbred grain where anything altered by man out of the ground is verboten and deadly, but perhaps one day your intellect will expand enough to understand even the most naturally occurring compounds can be the most deadliest to our species. Science is good, blind faith is bad, using junk science to scare people is pure evil.

Continued in next post...

Klink Cannoli said...

From the Center for Disease Control and Prevention...

Types of Fluoride Additives:
Community water systems in the United States use one of three additives for water fluoridation. Decisions on which additive to use are based on cost of product, product-handling requirements, space availability, and equipment.

The three additives are:
• Fluorosilicic acid: a water-based solution used by most water fluoridation programs in the United States. Fluorosilicic acid is also referred to as hydrofluorosilicate, FSA, or HFS.
• Sodium fluorosilicate: a dry additive, dissolved into a solution before being added to water.
• Sodium fluoride: a dry additive, typically used in small water systems, dissolved into a solution before being added to water.

Sources of Fluoride Additives:
Most fluoride additives used in the United States are produced from phosphorite rock. Phosphorite is used primarily in the manufacture of phosphate fertilizer. Phosphorite contains calcium phosphate mixed with limestone (calcium carbonates) minerals and apatite—a mineral with high phosphate and fluoride content. It is refluxed (heated) with sulfuric acid to produce a phosphoric acid-gypsum (calcium sulfate-CaSO4) slurry.
The heating process releases hydrogen fluoride (HF) and silicon tetrafluoride (SiF4) gases which are captured by vacuum evaporators. These gases are then condensed to a water-based solution of 23% FSA with the remainder as water.

Approximately 95% of FSA used for water fluoridation comes from this process. The remaining 5% of FSA is generated during the manufacture of hydrogen fluoride or from the use of hydrogen fluoride in the manufacturing of solar panels and electronics.

Since the early 1950s, FSA has been the chief additive used for water fluoridation in the United States. The favorable cost and high purity of FSA make it a popular source. Sodium fluorosilicate and sodium fluoride are dry additives that come largely from FSA.
FSA can be partially neutralized by either table salt (sodium chloride) or caustic soda to get sodium fluorosilicate. If enough caustic soda is added to neutralize the fluorosilicate completely, it results in sodium fluoride. Sodium fluoride is also produced by mixing caustic soda with hydrogen fluoride, although approximately 90% of the sodium fluoride used in the United States comes from FSA.

Regulatory Scope on Additives:
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) has authority over safe community drinking water, as specified in the Safe Drinking Water Act. All additives used at water treatment plants, including fluoride additives, must meet strict quality standards that assure the public’s safety. These additives are subject to a system of standards, testing, and certificates by the American Water Works Association (AWWA), and the National Sanitation Foundation/American National Standards Institute (NSF/ANSI). Both of these entities are nonprofit, nongovernmental organizations.
A good reference for drinking water treatment quality-assurance practices of governmental authorities in various countries is the Overview of National and International Guidelines and Recommendations on the Assessment and Approval of Chemicals Used in the Treatment of Drinking Water (PDF–476K). It also gives context to the United States AWWA and NSF/ANSI standards and practices.

The babies: Jeez, breast feed will you! Women have been doing it for thousands of years. Problem solved.

Anonymous said...

klink! don't spank me! I'm on your side! Flouride is the wonder drug!

Klink Cannoli said...

In great peril!!!

Now get yourself a pseudonym and use it or you can easily be confused for another synonymous anonymous trolling troglodyte.

Always happy to encounter another reasoned individual.

Anonymous said...

Don't forget, our government assured us that drilling for oil in the Gulf of Mexico is safe. No problemo!

Anonymous said...

Talk about waste of money: DEP is now spending money on knocking down all offices and cubes and setting up a bullpen style management organization.
Then...all vehicles are going to get the new logo put on them. Million$$$$

Anonymous said...

Warfarin, the rat poison, and coumadin, the blood-thinning medicine are exactly the same thing. Much depends on usage and dosage. Even water is deadly if it drowns you.

Anonymous said...

Even water is deadly if it drowns you.


Anonymous said...


And yet you do not know that cocaine is used successfully in eye surgery,
"rat poison" also prevents strokes, and a small amount of Fluoride may be therapeutic, while a large dose kills.

Duh, indeed.

Anonymous said...

Now you generated a double duh! Gonna go for a triple?