Monday, July 14, 2008

Bukharians to Katz: "Please don't limit our crapping rights!"

The following letter was written to Councilwoman Melinda Katz by an attorney on behalf of the Bukharians of the Cord Meyer area of Forest Hills in response to her remarks to the NY Times. It's a laugh riot, for sure, how they play the immigrant card.


The best line:

"It is our choice if we do not want to build in Tudor or Colonial style. For many of us it is much to reminisce to the styles of the old European buildings and neighborhoods where many of our ancestors were persecuted."

Let's get this straight...

You came to America and went out of your way to settle in an area where you claim the architecture disturbs you? And your people were persecuted by Russians and Muslims in Central Asia. The English are credited for creating the Tudor and Elizabethan styles of architecture that were widespread throughout Europe. So it's strange that the European Jews that settled in Forest Hills before you - and were direct victims of Nazi persecution - never had a problem with the architecture, but that you do.

Maybe it's just time for you to cut the crap, stop insulting the people who were here before you, admit that a gigantic house on a small lot is not good for the neighborhood and that a lawn is good for the environment.

59 comments:

Anonymous said...

"For many of us it is much to reminisce to the styles of the old European buildings and neighborhoods where many of our ancestors were persecuted."

Give me a break - there were tudors and colonials in Uzbekistan???

Joe from Ridgewood said...

This crock reads word for word what these fire ants howl at Long Island BZA meetings.
They then pound there fists, scream like babys, sue the town when they dont get there way !
Let them try that in China !

These fire ants should be greatful and trying to get along.....They are just like Israelis when it comes to abuse and agression!!

The main reason no country in the world wants them around.

Anonymous said...

Our first experience with this type of "mind set" occurred aprox. 10 years ago.

First, on Burns St. a huge fortress of a house (surviance cameras and high walls). No trees or grass.

Second. three German Sheppard Guard dogs. These people then proceeded to let these dogs run loose (stand on the bridge and unleash them) instead of walking them. One dog was killed on the railroad tracks and for eighteen months the surviving two terrorized our side of Queens Blvd and all the way to Flushing Meadow Park (highly intellegent they crossed QB using the Subway entrances). They attacked our pets, trapped people in stores, and finally bit a person.

During this 18 month horror, we rallyed, picketed their house, picketed the 112 Pct, contacted Council and Assembly Women. Nothing until after 18 months.

That reminded US of Nazi Germany.

P.S. The owners of those dogs still own the house and Bukharian Synogog.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, synagogue. The traumer came back.

Anonymous said...

Nouveau-riche Bukharian/barbarians with taste up their asses building
Mc Monster/Mc Mansions with their questionably derived wealth!

Upscale isolationist shtetles
bespeak the cultural level of these former herdsmen from the steppes!

Anonymous said...

These Russians (Bukharian, Georgians, Ajzerbagian, etc) are true aliens to the prevailing American culture, living here legally only because they are Jews. They are backward, ignorant and believe that somehow they are better that Americans because some of them have made money (mostly illegally).
These people have been under FBI, DEA surveillance for many years - one of those posts have been 65th avenue and 108 St. This place, among others, gathers men that are in their 40's to 60's. lounging around, the entire day and driving cars that are worth close to 100,000 dollars. They live in a sub real world, that pokes continuously fun of regular working Americans. They are the real menace to this country - but they are well protected and the police would rather go after the Mexicans and others that are doing the jobs the rest of us don't want to touch. Why are these Russians not following the usual route that other immigrants take and do the manual work that is relegated to the Central Americans? How come you can find Polish immigrants working in construction and painting, and you will never find one of these non-Slavic Russians?

mazeartist said...

To the last anonymous- Go back to your cave of ignorance!

The Bukharians who gather around 65th Ave and 108th Street are ambulette drivers, who transport the elderly around town. Often, they are more efficient than the access-a-ride.

Unlike many Americans, the Bukharians care greatly about their elders, and their large homes provide enough space to include the grandparents. It's certainly better than sending them to some isolated "retirement village."

Anonymous said...

Glad to see Sergey defends building Queens crap as long as there are old people under the same roof. Funny, how other cultures revere the elderly and don't feel the need to build McMansions to take care of them.

Anonymous said...

mazeartist:

Does the truth hurt?

Anonymous said...

This is such BS! They will be the first to complain if their basements flood or they can't cross the street because of huge puddles that their monster homes void of grass and trees contributed to create. Why would recent immigrants be allowed to destroy neighborhoods and circumvent the law just because they just want too? If they don't like the architecture move to some desert in Texas, New Mexico or Nevada and start your own barren community.

Anonymous said...

Gee, I've never met a Bukharian but based on what I've read (NY Times, QC) I already can't stand these people.

mazeartist said...

As much as I dislike paved lawns and SUVs, I respect their commitment to family. I visit my grandparents every week.

Anonymous said...

mazeartist:

Taking care of the elderly in someone's home is very admiral. It's also great you visit with your grandparents.

However, what these recent Bukharian immigrants have been doing to Forest Hills is not admiral. In fact, it's downright selfish, low-class and ignorant.

The difference between immigrants of the past and present:

past - wanted to assimilate(even changed their names)

present - want nothing to do with assimilating

CJ said...

No doubt when grandma passes she will be interred on the property and become a cornerstone of the community.

mazeartist said...
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Anonymous said...

mazeartist,

There are many other cultures that respect and care for their elders, also living several generations together. It certainly is admirable and uncommon nowadays.

There is always the good and the bad. The more affluent, obnoxious individuals are only a small fraction. Usually, these people conduct themselves at the expense of their less-privileged peers, and hide behind racial identity when it is convenient to do so.

That is the problem with a closed community. Lack of understanding usually creates stigmas, and leave a negative impression to outsiders. While it is wrong to generalize, it is just as bad to disregard others and expect them to be sympathetic.

Anonymous said...

What a bunch of racists you are. If none of these building violate any statutes or codes, why complain? And "Lawns are good for the environment"? WHAT a bunch of bull. green lawns in front of houses are terrible for the environment, and these home owners should be commended for their use of this space, since green lanws waste water (for keeping that green grass alive), as well as electricity/gas (which pollute!!) for mowing the damn grass!!!
stop being racist people!!

Anonymous said...

last anonymous:

You are soooo ignorant.

Anonymous said...

If I were to build giant Tudors and Colonials, complete with huge lawns and trees in the jewish neighborhoods of Bukhara, Khoqand, Tashkent, and Samarqand, I wonder what their reaction would be.

Anonymous said...

2 words (actually 3)

Self. Fuckin'. Entitlement.

Anonymous said...

Green lawns in front of houses are terrible for the environment, and these home owners should be commended for their use of this space, since green lanws waste water (for keeping that green grass alive), as well as electricity/gas (which pollute!!) for mowing the damn grass!!!

This is either the funniest post ever or the dumbest F on the planet

Anonymous said...

Why dont the cops and Feds follow the money like they did with the Italian MAFIA?

Most These people are into Riff Raff from Grey Market Electronics, bogus LLC's Counterfiet Jewelry, medical equipment components, real estate sidelines backed by gangstas "back home"

Look at the bright side if Katz does "side" with these raging Termites she will have her butt under a microscope with them.

The feds have to be looking at this situation, paper and money trails.

Anonymous said...

"The difference between immigrants of the past and present:

past - wanted to assimilate(even changed their names)

present - want nothing to do with assimilating"

This is just WRONG. Even the Manhattan Institute, a conservative thinktank disagrees with you, son.


Study Says Foreigners In U.S. Adapt Quickly

By N.C. Aizenman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 13, 2008; A02



Immigrants of the past quarter-century have been assimilating in the United States at a notably faster rate than did previous generations, according to a study released today.

Modern-day immigrants arrive with substantially lower levels of English ability and earning power than those who entered during the last great immigration wave at the turn of the 20th century. The gap between today's foreign-born and native populations remains far wider than it was in the early 1900s and is particularly large in the case of Mexican immigrants, the report said.

The study, sponsored by the Manhattan Institute, a New York think tank, used census and other data to devise an assimilation index to measure the degree of similarity between the United States' foreign-born and native-born populations. These included civic factors, such as rates of U.S. citizenship and service in the military; economic factors, such as earnings and rates of homeownership; and cultural factors, such as English ability and degree of intermarriage with U.S. citizens. The higher the number on a 100-point index, the more an immigrant resembled a U.S. citizen.

In general, the longer an immigrant lives in the United States, the more characteristics of native citizens he or she tends to take on, said Jacob L. Vigdor, a professor at Duke University and author of the study. During periods of intense immigration, such as from 1870 to 1920, or during the immigration wave that began in the 1970s, new arrivals tend to drag down the average assimilation index of the foreign-born population as a whole.

The report found, however, that the speed with which new arrivals take on native-born traits has increased since the 1990s. As a result, even though the foreign population doubled during that period, the newcomers did not drive down the overall assimilation index of the foreign-born population. Instead, it held relatively steady from 1990 to 2006.

"This is something unprecedented in U.S. history," Vigdor said. "It shows that the nation's capacity to assimilate new immigrants is strong."

A possible explanation, Vigdor said, was that the economic expansion of the 1990s created more job opportunities at all levels, speeding the economic integration of immigrants. It could also be that because today's immigrants begin at such a low starting point, "it's easier to make progress to the next level up" of integration than it would be if the immigrant had to improve on an already high level of integration.

Vigdor also said his findings included cause for concern: most notably, the fact that the 2006 assimilation index of 28 is less than the previous low point of 42 in 1920. The difference indicates the substantial change in the composition of today's immigrants compared with earlier immigration waves.

Although new arrivals at the turn of the 20th century were most likely to be eastern and southern Europeans, he said, "one of the top five origin countries was England, and close to 100 percent of them spoke English." By contrast, the majority of immigrants today are Mexicans and other Latin Americans, with the next largest share coming from a range of developing nations with languages other than English.

The overall assimilation index also masks big differences between immigrants from certain countries. Mexicans, for example have an index of 13, while Vietnamese were at 41. And although immigrants who arrived as children tend to be nearly identical to their U.S.-born counterparts, apart from their lower rates of citizenship, those who come from Mexico are less assimilated and have higher incidences of teenage pregnancy and incarceration.

A major reason for these disparities in assimilation levels may be the high percentage of Mexican immigrants who are in the country illegally, Vigdor said. When only cultural factors are considered, Mexicans score almost as high as Vietnamese and higher than immigrants from countries such as India and China, which tend to have a high rate of immigration to the United States.

"If you're in the country illegally, a lot of the avenues of assimilation are cut off to you," he said. "There are lot of jobs you can't get, and you can't become a citizen."

Anonymous said...

hey, i'm from europe, WESTERN europe and i've travelled all over europe. i've never seen such crap in europe. i've seen a LOT OF CRAP in eastern europe and guess that's part of the reason eastern europeans like to migrate to the west. hm hm hm

matches malone said...

Go Crapper! Hopefully Avella and, less likely, Katz can make some change pronto before the crisis gets worse.

Notice how this lawyer uses a lot of run on sentences, and doesn't know his history.

Man law school does rot your brain!

Anonymous said...

>>>Taking care of the elderly in someone's home is very admiral. It's also great you visit with your grandparents.<<<

Now, come on. The Navy has nothing to do with all this.

www.forgotten-ny.com

Joe from Ridgewood said...

FH Folk's need to buy some target Warthogs.

Come Winter put antlers on them and a red electric bulb in the mouth and call it a "Hunters Moon" or "Holiday Reindeer" etc.

Kind of works like a cross to a Vampire with the real estate brokers plus the township cant sat crap about expressive art.
They been doing that out in Manhasset, and Muncey park.

These Bukharian's got hold of some propertys in Little and Great Neck from old Jewish people who retired in Florida.

Its becoming WAR zone tri-angle off the Port Washington LIRR line. Christians, Iranian and Bukharian's Jew's all want to kill each other.

Just a note:
There are many Iranians that came over in the 50's those are good one's !

-Joe said...

This is just WRONG. Even the Manhattan Institute, a conservative thinktank disagrees with you, son.
-------------------------

Bullshit Propaganda from the people that make $$$ off the Tweedys and Tizo criminal shits is what it is.

Can I say Wal-Mart, The Bush Mob, Newsday and just about EVERY University in the country

Dude what the hell did you expect from a Washington post writer-activist-pinko-muzlim convert.
Here’s a photo of her (N.C.-Aizenman) on a horse in her Berka/Burka (spelling)

http://www.washingtonlife.com/directories/photos/?letter=N&name=N.C.-Aizenman

Ridgewoodian said...

JOE--

Wow, way to argue the facts and not look ign'nant, m'man.

By the way, that's not a burka.

Anonymous said...

Im Pretty sure thats a burka mask rolled up and back for the photo.....look close see the hump and screen part (back of neck)

Anonymous said...

Crawl back into your own maze of
self deception ...."mazeartist".

Haven't heard from you for some time....out for a summer walk with your master?

Anonymous said...

First it was "Salvatore(or Sal from Ridgewood)", "Ridgewoodian", and now we have "Joe from Ridgewood".

Everybody (ahem) seems to come from Ridgewood these days...eh?

C-mon, you're ALL the same poster!

We know your style (writing that is) even though you've got none of your own!

Anonymous said...

oops, sorry - admirable

haven't had much sleep lately

teacher said...

"This is just WRONG. Even the Manhattan Institute, a conservative thinktank disagrees with you, son.


Study Says Foreigners In U.S. Adapt Quickly

By N.C. Aizenman
Washington Post Staff Writer
Tuesday, May 13, 2008; A02"

I really don't care what that "thinktank" says. I've met many immigrants from all over the world through my job as a teacher. Most of them have no interest in learning the language, culture or values we have in this country. As a matter of fact, we have to understand THEIR culture and adapt to THEM.
And it's this that I find absolutely absurd.

By the way, it's not SON.

Queens Crapper said...

The Manhattan Institute, the think tank that thinks the sanctuary policy is sound and just recommended that large city projects be built with non-union labor (illegals)? Oh yes, I believe the bull they're spinning!

-Joe said...

Everybody (ahem) seems to come from Ridgewood these days...eh?


I do, Seneca and Norman street 1971-1986

Dekalb and Evergreen 1960-70
George Street and Knickerbocker 1970-71.

They were both GREAT neighborhoods where you could sleep in your yard hot summer nights.
All destroyed by Kennedys Immigration act of 1965.

Every piece of garbage came to NYC for free services and welfare as the city suits and morgage companys stole all the federal $$. Those new people (Carribian people back then)would throw the garbage, chicken bones out the 3rd floor winda's, attract rats, steal car batterys, bicycles, mug people, fight in the street you name it !!
(Stabbed my Uncle to death on Central and Stockholm St)

It was called "Lindsays Come and Get it" back then. Now's it's Bloomberg's "Sanctuary City".
....SAME SHIT FROM A DIFFERENT A**HOLE.
-Joe


Yea Im Joe from Ridgewood and "Joe" depending laptop, Palm Treo or Windows CE PDA.

Anonymous said...

I live in Forest Hills. I am a buharian jew. I love those houses and yes, I feel your pain. You lived here your entire life and got a nice job as an MTA Worker,you lived in what you thought was a beautiful house, but then Bukharians came 10-15 years ago. No money, broke. Came here worked hard and bought a house that you will never be able not only to afford, but to dream about. They drive Benz, BMWs and even Bentleys. I know it hurts so lets admit what it really is about, your inferiority complex, that someone who you felt beneath you is in fact smarter, richer and happier than you are and please stop kidding yourself about those lawns- yea they are source of your anger. And please stop referring to class. You don't have one. You constantly criticize our houses. Please, why don't you post the picture of your little "classy house" I am sure a lot of people would love to see that. As far as Mrs Katz educating me. I would love for her to just do that, because I graduated from NYU, and finished Columbia Dental School and my wife, who obviously shares our common lack of class and education graduated from Binghamtom University and Boston University Medical School. I understand that this post will not change anything that you feel, it may exacerbate your feelings of insecurity. Best regards

Anonymous said...

Just to add to my previous post. You claim that Bukharians made money illegally, I strongly suggest that you take your suspicions and proofs and take it to police or any other enforcement agency.

As far as someone else's complaints that Bukharians should first start with working as a construction workers or a cleaning people, with all due respect I will say, to each its own. We are better suited for other things and if you feel that there is a void in those professions. I suggest you fill it and I will commend you for it. Best regards from your neighbors.

Anonymous said...

Class has nothing to do with how much or how little education, money, size of car, size of house, your nationality, religion, or where you were born.

YOU EITHER HAVE IT OR YOU DO NOT HAVE IT. NO PASSING GRADE FOR YOU.

Anonymous said...

"I graduated from NYU, and finished Columbia Dental School and my wife, who obviously shares our common lack of class and education graduated from Binghamtom University and Boston University Medical School."

And here I thought you got shot by your wife's uncle in the park and died. Someone call Rikers and spring that poor woman!

Anonymous said...

"Car services, ambulette businesses" etc. are often part of the mobster empires built by former Soviet bloc gangsters living in New York.

The precious gem trades ("fencing"
and dealing in blood diamonds?) are another.

And how did these impoverished Bukharians build up their bankrolls after they first stepped off the gangplank into the new world, h-m-m-m ?

Anonymous said...

Don't ya just love and admire"Joe/Ridgewoodian/Sal/etc."
(whoever)for being able to blow 60 words per minute out of his mouth and ass simultaneously without breaking his stride? !!!

A purveyor of prosaic prose and (Yawn) after two cups of coffee, he still puts me to sleep))!

Anonymous said...

C.M. "alley" Katz, the Queen of the city council's land abuse committee welcomes Bukharian mob money!

"Don't tell me and I won't ask.
Just pass it under the table to me",
she says!

Anonymous said...

Who would suspect this pasty faced meek looking little Hebe/lez
to be a bag lady for Usbek mob money.

That's her "cover"!

Anonymous said...

"...because I graduated from NYU, and finished Columbia Dental School and my wife, who obviously shares our common lack of class and education graduated from Binghamtom University and Boston University Medical School."

Congratulations on your success!

I'll bet a million dollars that your patients are people JUST LIKE YOU.

Ridgewoodian said...

ANONYMOUS: Im Pretty sure thats a burka mask rolled up and back for the photo.....look close see the hump and screen part (back of neck)

A burka isn’t a mask, it’s a whole body covering. She’s wearing a simple head scarf, which is what most Western women do while in Muslim countries.

ANONYMOUS: Everybody (ahem) seems to come from Ridgewood these days...eh?

Only the handsome ones.

ANONYMOUS: C-mon, you're ALL the same poster!

Nope. You’ll notice that though we’re all from Ridgewood 1) we disagree on ‘most everything and 2) we don’t write anything like each other. So I’d either be perpetrating a literary hoax on you – and why would I waste a perfectly good hoax on the likes of you? – or I’m schizophrenic.

JOE: They were both GREAT neighborhoods where you could sleep in your yard hot summer nights.

I haven’t been here quite as long as you (moved here in 2001, spent a lot of time here for a couple of years before that) but I still think it’s a great neighborhood. I wouldn’t feel unsafe sleeping out in the back yard, but I don’t because my bed is much more comfortable.

JOE: Every piece of garbage came to NYC…

Where did you come from? Or are you domestic garbage?

ANONYMOUS: We know your style (writing that is) even though you've got none of your own!

ANONYMOUS: A purveyor of prosaic prose and (Yawn) after two cups of coffee, he still puts me to sleep))!

What’s with all these Anonymous folks, hmmm? I bet they’re all the same person. You should probably lay off the coffee; it might help with the ADD.

I’m not sure what problem it is that you have with my prose – I know how to use spell check and my capitalization, punctuation, and grammar are, if not impeccable, at least more or less standard. But I can take criticism and so, even though I’m no Basho, here’s a haiku for you:

Bitchy NIMBY ass,
Anonymous and bitter.
Queens welcomes all, fool.

Anonymous said...

Congratulations on your success!

I'll bet a million dollars that your patients are people JUST LIKE YOU.

First GET a million dollars :)
and second of all I would love to have patients like me, because I can't accept people like YOU. Sorry, I don't accept medicaid :)

Anonymous said...

Then how do you cater to Bukharians? Do you take SSI instead?

Anonymous said...

"Ridgewoodian" takes the bait every time and is compelled to counter every truthful comment made here.

If he isn't getting paid for his writing trade then he's (maybe) an obsessive compulsive.

"Buddy", you're the one that's a bitter bitch. Your "style" reveals that character trait admirably.

Now let's make book on how long
our Ridgewoody Woodpecker "friend" takes to respond !

I'll bet he blows a head gasket!

(And it'll be Guinness Book lengthy, of course).

Anonymous said...

"First GET a million dollars :)
and second of all I would love to have patients like me, because I can't accept people like YOU. Sorry, I don't accept medicaid :)"

Keep living in your fantasyworld. You can have all the $$$ and academic success you want. It will take generations before your people evolve. That is a fact. Just accept it. Stop fighting us.

By the way, have private insurance. I guarantee I have more $$$ than you and legitimate too. Don't need to avoid people and hang my head in shame.

That's what people with dirty $$$ do.

Anonymous said...

Like I explained in my previous post. I understand your feelings of insecurity and I have to say I am even more proud of my community's success. As far as your post goes, too many faulty assumptions and accusations.

a) You assume we live in shame because of supposedly "dirty money". The money of our community is displayed on those streets, whether it is a beautiful house or a car. Nobody is hiding anything. IRS and police have eyes and ears.
b) You assume that you are evolved :) Come on, look around. It is survival of the fittest and the best and it ain't you. Chances are you had every advantage. But look where you are, bitching about newcomers success.

"stop fighting us", come on, we are not fighting you. We just ignore your bitching which you can't do to our face and just venting in some chat room.

Ridgewoodian said...

ANONYMOUS: (And it'll be Guinness Book lengthy, of course).

Another 17 syllables for you. Enjoy!:

Debate? Discussion?
Pshaw! Too many words for him!
Bitch isn't very bright.

Anonymous said...

"...stop fighting us", come on, we are not fighting you. We just ignore your bitching which you can't do to our face and just venting in some chat room"


You are waste of my time.

Let's do this.
You stick to your people and I'll stick to mine.

Anonymous said...

Re: German Shepards let loose on neighborhood

We did say everything to your face. Picked your house, etc. After 18 months we all went to court to say it again to your face. Then the judge said it to your face and took
the poor dogs away and put in an order not allowing you to have another dog.

Anonymous said...

Much better,"Ridgewoodian"....
not poetry just yet....
but not boring prose either.

There's hope for you yet lad!

Hone your thoughts
before spitting out words in haste.

But I'll bet you'll be back
on your old diet of lengthy discourse soon.

You can't cure a word junkie!

Anonymous said...

To all the "Anonymous" posters:

Thank you all for your negative comments! Even negative advertising is still advertising! What doesn't kill us makes us stronger! Thank you all for hating us and wasting all this time and energy on US!

We are very grateful for that, there are not too many of us worldwide BUT WE MADE IT TO THE PAGES of the NEW YORK TIMES! WOW! We are being recognized in the most powerful country in the world in the one and only United States of America that is awesome!

Keep the comments coming we are LOVING all the attention!
America is a great country and NEW YORK is a GREAT city!
Someone once told me "if they talk about you that means you are important, if no one talks about you it means you did not make it in this world!"
Thanks once again!:)

Queens Crapper said...

You made it to the pages of the NY Times because you build shitty houses, not because you cured cancer. You folks are too funny!!!

Anonymous said...

Your name is Queens Crapper, doesn't sound too promising to me, or to those who are dying from cancer.....Doesn't look like you will be coming up wit ha cure for cancer anytime soon.

Get a job or something, looks like you have way too much free time on your hands.While you are wasting your time on this silly blog, the Bukharians are accumulating their wealth for the next Mcmansion.
Do you get it now?

Truman Harris said...

Crappy wasn't profiled by the NY Times for building shitty houses, either.

Maybe you shouldn't come here and comment if this blog is such a waste of time.