Wednesday, May 4, 2011

TB crossing our borders

From the Daily News:

Tuberculosis cases hit a record low in the city, but the disease is still rampaging through Chinese and Ecuadoran communities.

Health officials say immigrants are bringing the contagious lung disease here from their homelands.

In 1992, the height of the city's TB epidemic, 70% of the cases were in New Yorkers born here. Now 80% of the cases stem from those born abroad.

Doctors suspect the disease is dormant among immigrants until they come to the U.S.

Although a TB test is required for permanent immigration, those who arrive illegally or for school may not get the pinprick exam.

Health officials' priority is early treatment to prevent its spread, but TB often goes undiagnosed because the sufferers are poor, undocumented or leery of government.


Joe said...

These same people are picking melons, Tomatoes and assorted grown produce all over the country.
I was talking (arguing with)a farmer out in South Hampton last year. He don't give a dam said these people work a full hard day for $80.
The only requirement for his illegals was to provide a new name and social security number every year.

Anonymous said...

Laissez-faire capitalism at it's best. You should approve.

THAT is what the world is like without regulation, law and unions.

Ayn Rand would bless it.

Anonymous said...


And all those Asiatics spitting their virulent germs on Floo-shing's sidewalks.

F-----g low bred peasants!

Anonymous said...


Next time you step into one of those "Oriental clams" don't touch your shoe.

T.B. germs live very long, especially in warm phlegm.

Anonymous said...

Illegals cough on the bus and trains - don't cover their mouths. We the citizens get sick - thanks Obama-care which is set up to give free health care to undocumented citizens.

Erik Baard said...

I was infected with TB back in 1974 at PS 107 in Flushing. I believe a staff person died, but it was caught in my bloodstream early. A couple of years of pills, IVs and x-rays followed. Not fun, but got me interested in science.

Anonymous said...

Toby Stashitsky is the spitting image of the turd I gave birth to earlier in the day!!! She must be phlegmish.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...We the citizens get sick - thanks Obama-care which is set up to give free health care to undocumented citizens.

-The above is case example of an ideological idiot.

He/it is so focused on taking a swipe..any swipe at Obama that he reaches into the absurd.

Idiot: The act of making medical care available to more people -reduces- the likelihood of contagion.

Anonymous said...

Actually, stopping them at the border does the same - and is cheaper!

georgetheatheist said...

Anonymous Asshole #1 said:

"Laissez-faire capitalism at it's best. You should approve.

THAT is what the world is like without regulation, law and unions.

Ayn Rand would bless it."

No she wouldn't. From "The Nature of Government" from The Virtue of Selfishness:

"The retaliatory use of force requires objective rules of evidence to establish that a crime has been committed and to prove who committed it, as well as objective rules to define punishments and enforcement procedures. Men who attempt to prosecute crimes, without such rules, are a lynch mob. If a society left the retaliatory use of force in the hands of individual citizens, it would degenerate into mob rule, lynch law and an endless series of bloody private feuds or vendettas.

If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules.

This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government.

A government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of physical force under objective control—i.e., under objectively defined laws."

Anonymous said...

Do you even understand what you have quoted? -Or are you simply bending facts in the service of ideology again.

The quote you cite refers to the use of -physical retaliatory force- in disputes.

The poster "Joe" to whom I was responding cited a situation where lax/no government regulation prevailed.

In fact, your quotes can easily be tuned against your argument by citing the next-to-last paragraph"

"This [preventing physical confrontation] is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government."

No mention of business/labor regulation.

That's in keeping with her myopic views and why -you- should choose your arguments more carefully.

John from Conn said...

There would be NO immigration problem in the first place if it wasn't for Big Government Interventionism and Socialism/Progressivism that deteriorated the Free Market in the late 1800's and early 1900's...

If there were No entitlements and Free-bee's to be gotten, only those that wanted to work and better their lives would come here. From 1900-1925 over 1/4 of those immigrants that came here looking to start a new life repatriated back to their original country because there were No jobs to be found (or create) or Government programs here to leech off.

There was an open immigration policy in this country until the Chinese exclusion acts brought on a long succession of Federal government interventionism. Further government bureaucrats came along and decided to set up a quota system and close the open Immigration and systematic screening processes of Ellis Island on the East Coast & Angel Island on the West Coast. Along with the new found Quotas came the Full blown socialism brought on slowly by the ever expanding 16th Amendment which legalized theft from the productive to the unproductive.

In a properly moral society anyone should be allowed to come here and "work here" if someone is freely willing to hire them. Freedom for workers and Freedom for employers...Who the hell are you to tell me as a free man who I can chose to voluntarily do business with??

That doesn't mean everyone that comes here automatically should become citizens or they can just drop a child in a laundromat and they automatically become a citizen, they justly would need to live by our laws and assimilate to our country as the original immigrants did. Those who carried the loaf of bread in one hand and a dictionary in the other.

END the WELFARE STATE!! Give a 5 to 10 year period to wean people off the poison of dependency! END ALL GOVERNMENT ENTITLEMENTS...SO WE CAN RE-OPEN IMMIGRATION! and unleash the individual productive genius of all free men once again! SEAL the Boarder SHUT like a drum! Open the Immigrations Port Stations once again to give a legal front door of entry and screen the people for terrorist ties and infectious diseases. Put a shoot to kill zone on the boarders and protect the individual's right to bear arms so they can properly fend off any invaders that would violate the sanctity of their private property by crossing illegally! Force immigrants to assimilate by making English the only language! Make becoming a citizen much harder so those newcomers have to prove their worth over time...Only then would they acquire the right to vote!

We can live morally once again only when people decide to look at the fundamentals of our problems and bring liberty and objective rule of law back to our shores...

Anonymous said...

So, "John from Conn" -feel better now? things must be pretty dead and desperate in the little hamlet of yours.


Right. Sure.

Bring back the good ol' days of mudlarks, seven day workweeks, people working till they drop dead and old people on cat food.

Thankfully, jerks like you are confined to the extremities of a civilized society.

Anonymous said...

Don't you get it?
John is a Con (artist) not from Conn!

Cut the crap 'ol boy.

Even the Queen of England's very distant ancestors started from a low place.

What's your f----g pedigree Johnny boy?

Were you or your great, great grandma born with golden spoons up yourasses?

Speaking of's time for your toddler meal.

John from Conn said...

Play it again Sam.

Morally and economically, the welfare state creates an ever accelerating downward pull. Morally, the chance to satisfy demands by force spreads the demands wider and wider, with less and less pretense at justification. Economically, the forced demands of one group create hardships for all others, thus producing an inextricable mixture of actual victims and plain parasites. Since need, not achievement, is held as the criterion of rewards, the government necessarily keeps sacrificing the more productive groups to the less productive, gradually chaining the top level of the economy, then the next level, then the next. arcane supercilious references to give off the appearance of intelligence... Intelligence comes from ideas and concept formation not mere perception and the use of an old English dictionary.

No one in this country (unlike the Communist cess pools..) forced those "sad workers" at gun point to take those "oh so terrible" 7 day work weeks. They took them voluntarily..i.e...they made a choice. They always had other choices...but, chose not to engage their minds and get or create "different" jobs...Compare the work conditions under the "Captains of Industry" compared to the of the rest of the world's Non-Capitalist nation's of the time and your assumptions are exposed as foolish.

You obviously have never owned your own business. Businessmen are forced by nature of a free market to be fair and moral to stay in business over the long run. They have to keep their consumers and their work force happy or risk losing both to the competition...(Unless the government screws up the cycle and gives exclusive licence, rights, grants, or subsides to one company at the expense of another.) If the workers or the public were harmed by negligence show how, prove it in court, and punish those responsible.

"Woe is me" poor victims of history!...Government's proper role is ONLY to protect individual rights from violence by both foreign and domestic agressors...There are NO "GROUP" rights. "Rights" are sanctions for individuals to act and to keep the products of their own actions and labor. Rights are not unearned claims to the actions or products of others.

In 400 AD I am sure there were some haughty Roman Patricians such as Mr. Annon that believed the Roman Empire didn't need reformation either.

Anonymous said...

"Compare the work conditions under the "Captains of Industry" compared to the of the rest of the world's Non-Capitalist nation's"

Oh brother, did you leave yourself wide open for this one.

If it is not to intellectual for your hick upstate mind, try looking at these links and get an idea of what a pre-union, unregulated labor environment is like....Or take a trip with me to S.E.Asia and see it first-hand.

Blather-on Brother.

John from Conn said...

Muckraking communists like Upton Sinclair gave us one side of the story.

For the balance Libby try something objective, Mabel Bauer, Health, Wealth, and Population in the early days of the Industrial Revolution and learn the truth.

Take a look at the pre-capitalist Feudalist systems that sent children out in the fields to slave and die as soon as they could walk and your thoughts are again exposed as foolish. The proportion of those born in London dying before the age of five fell from 74.5 in 1730-49 to 31.8 percent in 1810-29. Children who hitherto would have died in infancy now had a chance for survival thanks to capitalism. Thus, disproving the progressive medievalist lie that the condition of the laboring classes were progressively deteriorating during the industrial revolution. The need for the first child labor laws predated the industrial Rev. and had to do with Chimney sweeps...not Industrial Factories! Factories when they arrived were like pristine sanctuaries with much easier labor as compared to the children who grinded their fingers to the bone on a hand loom or feudal pick and shovel. Just remember! Under Capitalism we have NEVER had a famine....unlike every other socialist state in history which combined industrialization and famine!

georgetheatheist said...

Just so that Anonym can understand: if it wasn't for the Industrial Revolution, those young women who jumped out of the windows of the Triangle Shirtwaist Factory would have died of rampant childhood diseases before they filled out the sewing machine operator application form.

Queens Crapper said...

"Bring back the good ol' days of mudlarks, seven day workweeks, people working till they drop dead and old people on cat food."

What does this have to do with the fact that people are illegally crossing our borders and bringing disease with them? What does this have to do with ending welfare?

Anonymous said...

"John from Conn said...
Muckraking communists like Upton Sinclair"

No wonder you are confined to some two-bit dying town in upstate.


That neo-con babble withers in the face of one who accomplished genuine good for humanity. said...

Now, Crepper, I alvays eat some ket food after my vorkout. It's high in der antioxidants und kvite nutrishious too mit der protein. Hahr-hahr.

Anonymous said...

Hey, Anonymous are you that liberal loser "Lino" who once darkened this doorstep?

Anonymous said...

I think our golden dollar John from Conn is really a golden shower queen with a major bug up his ass.

Let's all pee on him and make him happy.

Anonymous said...

I think that John From Conn knows his sh-t! Keep it coming son.
Oh, and by the way, isn't Conn Connnecticut?