Monday, July 12, 2010

Council members visit firing range

From the NY Post:

City Council Speaker Christine Quinn gave it her best shot.

She was one of 15 legislators who learned firsthand yesterday what it's like to shoot a weapon and be a cop on the street -- after being invited by Police Commissioner Ray Kelly to the NYPD firing range in The Bronx.

Kelly and his officers schooled the council members on using guns in simulated crime situations designed to give the lawmakers a better understanding of what cops face. He had invited all 51 members shortly after The Post reported that a bill had been introduced in Albany requiring cops to shoot to wound, not kill.

The bill, drafted in the wake of Sean Bell's controversial police-shooting death, infuriated cops. It would force officers to use their weapons "with the intent to stop, rather than kill" a suspect. They would be mandated to "shoot a suspect in the arm or the leg."

Under present NYPD training, cops are taught to shoot at the center of their target and fire their weapon until the threat has been stopped.

Quinn (D-Manhattan) shot a Glock and a Smith & Wesson at a 10-yard range.

"On my first one, I got two in the shoulder and two center mass," Quinn bragged after obliterating her target.


And the best line from the article:

"I personally was killed today by a machete-wielding drunk holding a baby because I waited too long to shoot." - Peter Vallone, Jr.

28 comments:

georgetheatheist said...

And for the rest of us:

www.nra.org

Anonymous said...

"I personally was killed today..."

Vallone said.

As opposed to being "Impersonally killed..."?

Queens Teacher said...

Give it up Georgie. Guns are for law enforcement.

:-)

Anonymous said...

I really have to get my rifle permit.

Anonymous said...

Guns are for law enforcement.


And home protection.

Queens Teacher said...

"And home protection."

In a rural area, yes.
In an urban area, no.

Anonymous said...

Too bad this won't make it easier to get a gun in nyc.

Anonymous said...

"In an urban area, no."


Needed even more so there.

Anonymous said...

The right to guns is set up in the constitution to protect the population from government tyranny.... thats it..
that said, there is no way this bill gets passed.

Lino said...

Anonymous said...
The right to guns is set up in the constitution to protect the population from government tyranny.... thats it.."

Nope.

Read:http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/data/constitution/amendment02/

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

"A well regulated militia" -does not include some beery mook's desire to own an assault rifle or even a handgun.

Pry yourself away from fox news and other fascist propaganda do a little reading about the founding laws of your country.

Anonymous said...

I wonder if Cop Basher Charles Barron went?

LibertyBoyNYC said...

Great dog and pony show, but the taxpayers would have been better served if Kelly had set up the firing tables parallel to each other.

Anonymous said...

This would have been better if fucking bytch Vallone and fucking ugly Quinn were the targets of the firing range.

Anonymous said...

little Petie vallone Jr. maybe if had a gun he wouldnt have gotten beat up so much in astoria park

Anonymous said...

Now, how many of the 15 have a pistol permit, or a badge? There is NO exemption under the law for them to handle a pistol, on the police range, and if they did so without a badge/permit, they are ALL guilty of possession of a firearm (NONE seem to meet any of the exemptions in article 265)

Anonymous said...

Lino,
I sugest you give up on an outdated cite in caselaw, and READ Heller vs DC and McDonald Vs Chicago

IT IS and individual right, the SCOTUS says so

Anonymous said...

"Now, how many of the 15 have a pistol permit, or a badge? There is NO exemption under the law for them to handle a pistol, on the police range, and if they did so without a badge/permit, they are ALL guilty of possession of a firearm (NONE seem to meet any of the exemptions in article 265)"

I recived the same training as an Asst. DA. I hope I didn't break the law.

John from Conn said...

There are numerous instances of the phrase 'bear arms' being used to describe a civilian's carrying of arms. Early constitutional provisions or declarations of rights in at least some ten different states speak of the right of the 'people' [or 'citizen' or 'citizens'] "to bear arms in defense of themselves [or 'himself'],' or equivalent words, thus indisputably reflecting that under common usage 'bear arms' was in no sense restricted to bearing arms in military service.

As recently reflected in the the U.S. Supreme Court, District of Columbia v. Heller (2008), No. 07-290, that "the Second Amendment protects an individual right to possess a firearm unconnected with service in a militia, and to use that arm for traditionally lawful purposes, such as self-defense within the home.

Anonymous said...

is there anywhere to purchase a rifle in new york city?

Anonymous said...

As an Asst DA, you should KNOW the exemptions include peace officers, which I believe you are considered

As for places to buy a rifle in NYC - Yes, there ARE a few

Anonymous said...

where?

Anonymous said...

There are a few places that specialize in selling firearms to police, and the few places that DO sell firearms + rifles and shotguns (I'm drawing a distinction here for our ADA friend - Rifles & shotguns are not 'firearms' but rifles and shotguns - read PL400 and PL265) generally try to keep it fairly quiet, so I'm NOT going to mention them on the net right now, but they are indeed regular storefronts. It is POSSIBLE (but I don't know if they do) that Sports Authority sells.

MOST folks just travel to Nassau/Sufolk, and most firearms dealers don't want the extra hassle of dealing with the extra NYC rules and regs. That said, they will gladly fill out the NYC "green form" (PD 641-121) as well as the Federal Forms. Don't forget to bring your NYC Rifle and Shotgun permit - You apply (in Person) to the NYPD Rifle and Shotgun section at 120-55 Queeens Blvd. Bring your Money orders or credit card (THAT is new - used to be MO only) of $140 for the application + 94.25 Fingerprint fee. Be prepaired to wait a few months for the permit to be approved.

Lino said...

Anonymous said...

Lino,
I sugest you give up on an outdated cite in caselaw, and READ Heller vs DC and McDonald Vs Chicago

IT IS and individual right, the SCOTUS says so"

Yeah, if you only listen to conservative talk radio.

The SCOTUS decision left in place and re-affirmed that certain firearms restrictions mentioned in District of Columbia v. Heller, such as those "prohibit[ing]...the possession of firearms by felons or mentally ill," as well as "laws forbidding the carrying of firearms in sensitive places such as schools and government buildings, or laws imposing conditions and qualifications on the commercial sale of arms" are all permissible.

So don't get your hopes up Rambo.

Funny how all this comes up when we have a Liberal, Democratic and (half) black President.

georgetheatheist said...

"Funny how all this comes up when we have a Liberal, Democratic and (half) black President."
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Really, Johnny-come-lately? Read the archives and you'll see I have been citing

www.nra.org

since it's outset when George Bush was in office.

Anonymous said...

Lino,
It's a RIGHT, that is allowed to have restrictions (Hint, I've READ Heller cover to cover, have you?)

The main question in Heller is what level of scrutiny is allowed, which was NOT answered. It is obvious that the justices did not want "strict scrutiny", which WOULD have tossed just about every law out there. They have allowed "sensitive places" and "criminal restrictions" - now, between those levels, where is the line? THAT has not be answered

So, as I said, it's a RIGHT, that can be limited, just like you can't "yell fire in a crowded theatre" - aka the right is allowed to be restricted

Anonymous said...

"As an Asst DA, you should KNOW the exemptions include peace officers, which I believe you are considered"

ADAs are not peace officers, and are not entitled to carry guns. In fact, most DAs frown upon that practice. I was merely pointing out that ADAs go up to the Bronx and play cops and robbers in the "fun" house and then go on the range and shoot real guns, just for the experience, which is what Vallone did. Don't know why it was necessary for city council memebrs to do that, seems like a waste of time, but a photo op is an photo op, I guess. I guessing that if the police depatment invites you up there and stand over your shoulder why you do it, it's not illegal. I really don't know. But I know that anyone can go to a range, rent a pistol, shoot all you want and then go home, without any kind of license, even here in NYC.

Anonymous said...

"There are a few places..."

thanks, appreciate the info

Anonymous said...

Teaching cops to shoot to wound, is indeed a great way to get lots of wounded civilians. Where do they think the missed bullets wind up?