From the NY Post:ObamaCare was supposed to offer more choices — but New Yorkers shopping for medical coverage stand to be shut out of two of the city’s most prestigious hospitals.
Only three of the nine plans being offered on the New York State Health Exchange cover bills at NYU and New York-Presbyterian medical centers, The Post has learned.
Those who opt for the other six plans will either have to go elsewhere or pay steep out-of-pocket costs, officials said.
Records show that New York-Presbyterian, the largest hospital system in the nation with 2,236 beds, is an in-network choice only for the United, Emblem and Aetna plans when chosen through the exchange.
The New York University system, which as 1,069 beds at its main Langone medical facility as well as its Hospital for Joint Diseases, has deals with Affinity, Fidelis and United, and for individuals with Oxford-United for small groups.
NYU and New York-Presbyterian continue to accept most commercial health insurance that is not regulated by ObamaCare.
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"Here is a guarantee that I've made. If you have insurance that you like, then you will be able to keep that insurance. If you've got a doctor that you like, you will be able to keep your doctor. Nobody is trying to change what works in the system. We are trying to change what doesn't work in the system."
Well, those hospitals are being royally stupid... unless they prefer treating uninsured patients and not being compensated for it.
I've got insurance I like. It hasn't changed.
Nothing has changed with my health insurance coverage.
Mine went up. By a lot. If you have a family and want to buy through the exchange, good luck. It's almost the cost of rent per month.
My insurance went up by 12% as soon as the early provisions started to go into effect. I got a better job/coverage now, but I can only imagine what happened to those still there. Not to mention the people whose small business employers now can't afford plans with the minimum requirements and are dumping their employees into the public exchanges. Obama should have ended the quote with "...you will be able to keep that insurance if your employer can still subsidize his portion of it."
The insurance premiums have been going up for years-- and were going up with or without Obamacare. And a big reason why they're going up is because of the huge numbers of people who don't have health insurance and seek care at their hospitals-- and those hospitals aren't compensated for that care. One way or another, we all pay for it.
Pakalolocare will destroy our health care system, just as Barry Pakalolo planned.
The insurance premiums have been going up for years
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We did an analysis at work and every year the premiums have gone up by a few hundred dollars. Same thing this year. Next time some non-insured breaks a leg us tax payers won't get stuck with the bill.
Who do you think WILL get stuck with the bill? There will always be uninsured, including, but not limited to, illegal aliens.
Does anyone seriously think it would be cheaper to treat uninsured patients than to subsidize private health insurance coverage?
No, it wouldn't. But affordable is a relative term, and people aren't going to spend money on insurance when they need it for food, rent or tuition. You can mandate it all you want, but you can't get blood from a stone.
No, it wouldn't. But affordable is a relative term, and people aren't going to spend money on insurance when they need it for food, rent or tuition. You can mandate it all you want, but you can't get blood from a stone.
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I think you're seriously underestimating the desire of uninsured people to have health insurance. There are going to be ignorant people willing to gamble with their health by not spending the money to buy health insurance. But the majority of people really want health insurance coverage because many of them realize just how expensive medical care has become.
And speaking of mandates, people have no problem fulfilling mandates to buy insurance coverage for their homes and cars-- because they know they'd suffer significant losses if, God forbid, something were to happen to their property.
The people who can't afford insurance generally don't own homes or cars. Those mandates only apply if you choose to buy them. Obamacare add still leaves millions uninsured.
The people who can't afford insurance generally don't own homes or cars. Those mandates only apply if you choose to buy them. Obamacare add still leaves millions uninsured.
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I understand. I was making the point that there's precedent for a mandate. And yeah, Obamacare is not going to insure everybody. Remember, there was a push for a single-payer system, but everybody cried "Socialism!", and that was the end of that idea.
In the end, the system created isn't perfect, doesn't insure everybody and consists of subsidies to buy private insurance coverage-- and yet opponents even call that "socialism."
Was it worth it? We have to see how it goes. If it finally starts to drive down the cost of health care in this country, if it provides an economic bang for each buck saved, then it's hard to say it wasn't worth the effort and the aggravation.
Putting aside that the article is coming from the Obama-hating NY Post - the fact that they claim Aetna is offering insurance as part of the exchange pretty well demonstrates the writer does not know what the hell they are talking about.
"if it provides an economic bang for each buck saved"
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This is almost impossible to prove. What can be proved however, is that insured people's costs have definitely already jumped a lot more than they would have if this law had not gone into effect, and 4 years of that increase to these otherwise healthy people who were already paying more than what they received out of the system is never-to-be-regained economic activity down the drain.
Economic pundits from each side will continue to present the case for all sorts of "costs" and "benefits" regardless of what happens given their personal biases.
The bottom line remains that healthcare is not rationed, and simultaneously health insurance is now a mandated purchase as a basic requirement of residing in this country, whether or not you use it. That is, inescapably, forcing more people to pay money for a limited commodity with virtually unlimited demand.
Maybe part of the reason your health insurance premiums keep going up is because the salaries and benefits of people working in the health care field keep skyrocketing, doctors nurses etc. Not to mention the hospitals themselves.
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