Wednesday, November 30, 2022

Mayor Adams orders involuntary removal of mentally disturbed people from public places and the subway

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New York Times

Acting to address “a crisis we see all around us” toward the end of a year that has seen a string of high-profile crimes involving homeless people, Mayor Eric Adams announced a major push on Tuesday to remove people with severe, untreated mental illness from the city’s streets and subways.

Mr. Adams, who has made clearing homeless encampments a priority since taking office in January, said the effort would require involuntarily hospitalizing people who were a danger to themselves, even if they posed no risk of harm to others, arguing the city had a “moral obligation” to help them.

“The common misunderstanding persists that we cannot provide involuntary assistance unless the person is violent,” Mr. Adams said in an address at City Hall. “Going forward, we will make every effort to assist those who are suffering from mental illness.”

The mayor’s announcement comes at a heated moment in the national debate about rising crime and the role of the police, especially in dealing with people who are already in fragile mental health. Republicans, as well as tough-on-crime Democrats like Mr. Adams, a former police captain, have argued that growing disorder calls for more aggressive measures. Left-leaning advocates and officials who dominate New York politics say that deploying the police as auxiliary social workers may do more harm than good.

Other large cities have struggled with how to help homeless people, in particular those dealing with mental illness. In California, Gov. Gavin Newsom recently signed a law that could force some homeless people with disorders like schizophrenia into treatment. Many states have laws that allow for involuntary outpatient treatment, and Washington State allows people to be committed to hospitals if a judge finds that they pose a threat to themselves or others.

Officials in New York said the city would roll out training immediately to police officers, Emergency Medical Services staff and other medical personnel to “ensure compassionate care.” But the city’s new directive on the policy acknowledges that “case law does not provide extensive guidance regarding removals for mental health evaluations based on short interactions in the field.”

The policy immediately raised questions about who, exactly, would be swept up in it, and some advocates for people with mental illness warned it could face legal challenges.

Existing state laws allow both the police and medical workers to authorize involuntary hospitalization of people whose behavior poses a threat of “serious harm” to themselves or others. Brendan McGuire, chief counsel to the mayor, said on Tuesday that workers would assess people in public spaces “case by case” to see whether they were able to provide basic needs such as food, shelter and health care for themselves.

The city directive states that “unawareness or delusional misapprehension of surroundings” or “delusional misapprehension of physical condition or health” could be grounds for hospitalization.



 

40 comments:

Liman said...

1. It's about time.
2. Court challenges will ensue.
3. Can we count on enthusiastic support from police, etc.? Hope so.
4. The procedures will tie up responders for some time - how will it impact on police street presence?
5. It appears there are at least hundreds (if not thousands) of people meeting the definition roaming the city... can the hospitals handle them all?
6. The only obligation of the hospital is to assess the patient for admission. What's the likelihood of hospitals giving them a meal, sobering them up, and sending them right back out? Seems obvious that it'll be a revolving door.

georgetheatheist said...

Didn't Koch try this with Billie Boggs?

Anonymous said...

So someone who drinks sugary beverages or smokes also qualifies for involuntary hospitalization? The issue comes down to the same as Obamacare: if the public will inevitably foot the bill for people who do not address their medical problems, is the public entitled to make them address their medical problems early? It is not a modern issue, and has come up for millennia with regard to plagues. Recall the Public Health Service has always been part of
the Navy because plagues: yellow fever in 1790s, 1850s & 1870s, smallpox in 1721, 1752, 1764, and 1775, cholera 1832-1866, and so on.

Anonymous said...

Could this be happening because of today's weed due to it's high potency of THC ?
There are horror stories caused by this so-called “harmless” drug.

Zoé said...

This had to be done!
NYC has the worst, most mentally ill cocksuckers that have ever tainted humanity. I put them in the same category as serial killers and pedophiles. Just fricking evil.
The liberals are already ranting on the TV news about how stressful it will be on these "poor unfortunate nutter’s" to be removed from the subways and general public against their will.
Oh really? Are these quack N the box social workers and so called educated experts kidding me?

How about the stress on the family’s of people pushed under trains, stabbed, killed, some kids loved 70 year old grampa sucker punched by some ape and now in a coma?
How about the stress and cost of hospital bill, wakes, funerals and plots?
Nobody's thinking about the people who really stress & suffer because of all the scumbags on the loose.

Anyway, I never give money to homeless people because,
1. They probably make more money than I did when I was working.
2. They get to work from home.
3. They drink & drug on the job.”

Zoé

Anonymous said...

Good! Do it! They need help instead of going in and out of jail 50 plus times.

Anonymous said...

You can thank Cuomo Senior for closing the psychiatric hospitals.

Anonymous said...

Mayor Swagger is a going for the worst Mayor in NYC prize !
Prove Me Wrong...

Anonymous said...

Precursor of what is yet to come. Like "wrong think" and "crazy thoughts" ?

Anonymous said...

The entire voting population of NYC is mentally ill.
Look at recent NYC LibTurds and their election results Crazy Crazy Nutjobs....

Anonymous said...

“The top 9 most terrifying words in the English Language are: I'm from the government, and I'm here to help.”

Anonymous said...

Lock Them Up !

Anonymous said...

Can we order the involuntary removal of mentally disturbed people from City Hall?

Anonymous said...

In theory a good idea. In reality it’s gonna be a disaster with some poor cop caught in the middle when some EDP becomes violent and is forcefully taken down and the good people film it and than the Mayor throws the cop under the bus.

Anonymous said...

Listen To Me said...
Well Sheeple, unfortunately, the politicians, specifically the City Council, have taken away the ability of the NYPD to enforce the law without placing them in the position of being arrested and prosecuted for doing their job. You get the law enforcement, or lack of it, by who you vote into office. What a circus.
Prison first, and from there, give an option to a voluntary treatment.

Anonymous said...

This will never stand in NYC, it makes too much sense.

Mike FTW said...

The words 'Democrat' and 'tough on crime' are mutually exclusive.

Anonymous said...

Yes, Drugs are the CAUSE. Drugs and alcohol lead to abuse which leads to crime and perversion, and eventually social collapse. Nearly all formerly illegal drugs seem to trigger schizophrenia, alcoholism triggers Korzakov dementia, steroids cause mania, football injuries lead to dementia. They were born with good brains but destroyed them, maybe they do need negative social credits to donate organs. Singapore is right to execute druggies, and even Trump thinks it may be time to do so here.

chico0100 said...

And as usual, the liberal rag, The New York Times, laid this at the feet of a republican administration. By blaming George Pataki and not the Progressive Democrats and their ilk, they continue the divisive rhetoric that has destroyed this city under numerous Democratic Administrations as well as the bought and paid for legislature.

We should never say we're number one in anything because everything with touch and step into is number 2.

Anonymous said...

Luckily for the Q-Anon drone, he/she/it can still hide out in its Floridian trailer swamp.

Anonymous said...

Will the City force the kill shot on them ?

Anonymous said...

So is being homeless now a crime ?

Anonymous said...

​Is the FTX guy in jail now ? Or is that him sleeping in the subway ?

Anonymous said...

Does this rule apply to all Trumpanzees too ?

Anonymous said...

Will never happen - let the lawsuits begin

Joe said...

>>>Go live in a Floridian trailer swamp<<

Hey, don't knock it.
We tried that for kicks one winter.
Got along with the neighbors great, I even had my ham radio setup to talk to friends, near everybody played guitars & drums. We had a fire, fireworks and jam every weekend and nobody called the cops. Big open skys, good lightning and thunder storms
Nobody messed with us, no troublemakers because everybody had guns.
These trailer people didn't have much money but were much happier then people here. Much better quality of life in Everglades then dealing with the crap going on in NYC since BLM and complete decimation of the NYPD.
At minimum people in Florida at least know how to vote right.
The only issue with many like myself its impossible to adjust to "peace and quiet" trees and silence after you been a New Yorker all your life.

I could never live in the country, its too peaceful, quiet, too many trees, to much sound of crickets. OK if you were born country however if your from NYC living with such lac of stimulation, silence and boredom rots New Yorker's brains brain. That or turns them into full blown alcoholics.
Proof of this in PA and the Carolina's, a good 50& of the ex patriot New Yorkers are depressed in really bad shape mentally.
I friend of mine Jerry shot and killed himself after his 3rd DWI. He had to drive miles to get a pizza (and a lousy pizza at that) miles and miles to do anything. The guy NEVER drank till he moved to the country, and when he did "dead" in 6 months. (A lot of good selling that near 1 million dollar Stier house in Ridgewood did him)
Dont try and make excitement in the country or do anything anyplace past 8PM. You get stopped by the country hillbilly cops because of New York plates. "Step out driver, turn hands on the hood" "any drugs or firearms in the car" The next thing you know your wondering if the hillbilly cop eyeballing your girlfriend wants to rape her.
This IS what goes on in the sticks where nobody is around to see things !!

I believe the country is where older tired NYC folks go to die, One way or another I wouldn't last long and that's for sure.
I will take a Floridian trailer swamp anyway over a house or town in the country any day

-Joe

Anonymous said...

Unfortunately this damage is in the Libturd's politician agenda playbook of not enforcing laws.

Anonymous said...

Liberal Democrats don’t give any thought to the consequences of their agenda.

Anonymous said...

Punishment for these types of crimes must be increased. life in prison without the possibility of parole. Right ?

Anonymous said...

Joe - you are out of your mind. Thanks. Good night.

Anonymous said...

Thank you -Joe you melt the snowflakes.

I Know said...

Shaddap U feis . . . Joe is THE man!!!

Anonymous said...

@"Punishment for these types of crimes must be increased"
Which types of crimes are you talking about? Sleeping? Being homeless? Or being a total Imbesile like yourself?

Anonymous said...

Betcha ANYTHING, they all voted for Biden, Adams and Hochul!!!

Anonymous said...

Democrats would like them to be able to vote while in prison.

Anonymous said...

Welfare leeches sucking the middle class dry !

Anonymous said...

Was this an experiment or did lawmakers vote for these changes? It’s plain to see that these progressive ideas don’t work.

Anonymous said...

New Yorkers have spoken, they vote these people in so they want this.

Anonymous said...

Are potheads on the corner mentally disturbed people too ?

Anonymous said...

@“ Welfare leeches sucking the middle class dry !”

More like corporate America sucking the middle class dry.