I've read twenty articles on this in the past 2 days. Everyone is overwhelmingly against this. They aren't going to contribute shit to this city and state except ruin businesses, cause more gentrification and displace residents (creating more homeless, it will surpass 100,000 for sure), and expand the surveillance state with that cloud computing algoritim bullshit.
Go figure these menacing expansions were announced just days before the election. And Governor Andrew Amazon has made sure whatever heinous corporate welfare deal to Jeff Bezos remained top secret.
https://www.scribd.com/document/369366612/FOIA-Appeal-2018-57-REDACTED-AmazonHQ2-Proposal (this was just removed, why is Amazon so bashful about their exalted plans for their chosen locations?)
Amazon and Google will destroy NYC like they destroyed Silicon Valley. They will do nothing but import thousands of transplants and H1B foreigners who'll displace native working and middle class natives and cause rents to soar for everyone else.
Local businesses and entertainment venues will also die, since these techies are like cult members. They have little interest in going out in the world in any capacity. They all want to live in college dormitory style buildings and campuses where they never go out and interact with the world, where everything is within arm's reach on campus.
Here is an example of what I mean, a Vice video about WeLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QCySNv7cxA. Grown adults live, work and eat on the same facility in an insular environment; all their groceries, entertainment needs, etc. are on campus, so they don't have to go out in the world. If we have thousands of these tech cult members walking around, NYC will be a ghost town of venues and storefronts, since they don't shop, eat our or are interested in the types of venues where they could meet other people. No need for entertainment venues, since they get all their entertainment from the internet or can just play video games.
New York does not need people like this moving here. We need people who are going to help resurrect it, not turn it into a ghost town.
Disaster, most all the workers will be imported from the west coast. Fleeing California for example. Nothing for the people who live here but a demand for new housing and rents prices through the roof. This will destroy what left of Glendale & Middle village.
How does an incredibly successful company, that wants to bring thousands of jobs to a city, encourage homelessness?
It doesn't encourage homelessness, it produces it. Which is the most disturbing irony of all. Most of these jobs will go to transients, not to the residents of this city.
Christ, Seattle, where HQ1 is located, has a homeless crisis almost as bad as our city.
I'm no fan of the Gargoyle Goon nor of coporate welfare, but since we're stuck with him for another few years, why not spread the love (and associated headaches of 25K+ additional employees) to the Catskills or some other sparsely populated area of the state?
No jobs for you or us, Amazon & Google are like Spectrum TV, NASA and Space-X. They lock everybody out and bring in there own people!
And it dont makes no difference because NYC is already sunk and its gonna get worse. We now have complete morons in Congress
This Sandria Cortez who kicked Crowley's ass good is real interesting for example. She claims to care about health in this country yet gave an live Instagram lesson (obviously without here PR adviser's advice)on how to make instant macaroni & cheese while dancing and flirting with the idea of running for president.
Get this: She also bitched she can’t receive her congressional salary to afford a Washington DC nest for "her partner” and herself until she’s “inaugurated” as an official member of Congress in January. She also hinted at a possible presidential run in the future
So: Heath = “macaroni & cheese” and Congress members are now inaugurated, WTF?
Download the video before its taken down by Instagram (AKA Facebook)--its hilarious! http://www.theamericanmirror.com/ocasio-cortez-flirts-with-run-for-presidency-while-dancing-making-mac-n-cheese-on-instagram/
Because the people they need to hire don't want to live in Buffalo.
JQ LLC said... Why isn't Amazon Andy encouraging building this in a part of the state that could actually use the jobs and infrastructure improvements? Like, say, Buffalo? Or have it in that Andyland movie studio in Ithaca.
This should've gone upstate, not to the City. West and upper New York are desperate for jobs - good ones - that cover the spectrum from IT to back-office work to buildings maintenance and warehouse positions. I certainly don't want it here. While it'll generate jobs it's also my taxpayer dollars that are paying for the incentives that lure Jeff Bozos here in the first place!
Nobody wants to live in those boring, freezing shitholes "West and upper New York" Not to mention the snow problems and having to drive 5, 10, 20 + miles to get a lousy, miserable re-heated slice of pizza. Especially some "Techie" wiz from California or China. That would be suicide for Amazon & Google
no disagreement from me on either of those points. it's a chicken egg conundrum: good jobs attract good people, and vice versa, both are necessary prerequisites to each other to an extent.
@Joe >and Congress members are now inaugurated, WTF?
Yes, every political position has their own inauguration, what did you think? From the last inauguration: https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/a-new-congress-is-sworn-in-but-with-many-old-faces.html
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I've read twenty articles on this in the past 2 days. Everyone is overwhelmingly against this. They aren't going to contribute shit to this city and state except ruin businesses, cause more gentrification and displace residents (creating more homeless, it will surpass 100,000 for sure), and expand the surveillance state with that cloud computing algoritim bullshit.
https://topclassactions.com/lawsuit-settlements/lawsuit-news/862402-google-class-action-says-company-tracks-location-users-opt/
Go figure these menacing expansions were announced just days before the election. And Governor Andrew Amazon has made sure whatever heinous corporate welfare deal to Jeff Bezos remained top secret.
https://www.timesunion.com/business/article/NY-won-t-share-outreach-to-Bezos-on-Amazon-s-HQ2-12632845.php
Cuomo announcing his new name.
https://newyork.cbslocal.com/2018/11/06/amazon-long-island-city-queens-headquarters/
https://www.scribd.com/document/369366612/FOIA-Appeal-2018-57-REDACTED-AmazonHQ2-Proposal (this was just removed, why is Amazon so bashful about their exalted plans for their chosen locations?)
Amazon and Google will destroy NYC like they destroyed Silicon Valley. They will do nothing but import thousands of transplants and H1B foreigners who'll displace native working and middle class natives and cause rents to soar for everyone else.
Local businesses and entertainment venues will also die, since these techies are like cult members. They have little interest in going out in the world in any capacity. They all want to live in college dormitory style buildings and campuses where they never go out and interact with the world, where everything is within arm's reach on campus.
Here is an example of what I mean, a Vice video about WeLive: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QCySNv7cxA. Grown adults live, work and eat on the same facility in an insular environment; all their groceries, entertainment needs, etc. are on campus, so they don't have to go out in the world. If we have thousands of these tech cult members walking around, NYC will be a ghost town of venues and storefronts, since they don't shop, eat our or are interested in the types of venues where they could meet other people. No need for entertainment venues, since they get all their entertainment from the internet or can just play video games.
New York does not need people like this moving here. We need people who are going to help resurrect it, not turn it into a ghost town.
They’re going to bring jobs .
That’s something .
How does an incredibly successful company, that wants to bring thousands of jobs to a city, encourage homelessness?
Disaster, most all the workers will be imported from the west coast. Fleeing California for example. Nothing for the people who live here but a demand for new housing and rents prices through the roof.
This will destroy what left of Glendale & Middle village.
So the trendies will smother us ever more
https://www.ft.com/content/b9a510ea-e369-11e8-a6e5-792428919cee
Financial Times - check out the comments, too.
How does an incredibly successful company, that wants to bring thousands of jobs to a city, encourage homelessness?
It doesn't encourage homelessness, it produces it. Which is the most disturbing irony of all. Most of these jobs will go to transients, not to the residents of this city.
Christ, Seattle, where HQ1 is located, has a homeless crisis almost as bad as our city.
That FT link has a paywall, unfortunately.
***But what do either of these companies actually "produce" as in manufacture?
Nothing about community (the people live in a dump so we can ignore them) or infrastructure.
Its mindless and one sided, and those 'great guys' you elect for your community will let it happen.
Why isn't Amazon Andy encouraging building this in a part of the state that could actually use the jobs and infrastructure improvements?
Why isn't Amazon Andy encouraging building this in a part of the state that could actually use the jobs and infrastructure improvements?
Like, say, Buffalo?
Or have it in that Andyland movie studio in Ithaca.
Actually it would be better not to have that money grubbing corporate welfare bum Bezos here at all.
I'm no fan of the Gargoyle Goon nor of coporate welfare, but since we're stuck with him for another few years, why not spread the love (and associated headaches of 25K+ additional employees) to the Catskills or some other sparsely populated area of the state?
No jobs for you or us, Amazon & Google are like Spectrum TV, NASA and Space-X. They lock everybody out and bring in there own people!
And it dont makes no difference because NYC is already sunk and its gonna get worse.
We now have complete morons in Congress
This Sandria Cortez who kicked Crowley's ass good is real interesting for example.
She claims to care about health in this country yet gave an live Instagram lesson (obviously without here PR adviser's advice)on how to make instant macaroni & cheese while dancing and flirting with the idea of running for president.
Get this:
She also bitched she can’t receive her congressional salary to afford a Washington DC nest for "her partner” and herself until she’s “inaugurated” as an official member of Congress in January. She also hinted at a possible presidential run in the future
So:
Heath = “macaroni & cheese” and Congress members are now inaugurated, WTF?
Download the video before its taken down by Instagram (AKA Facebook)--its hilarious!
http://www.theamericanmirror.com/ocasio-cortez-flirts-with-run-for-presidency-while-dancing-making-mac-n-cheese-on-instagram/
Because the people they need to hire don't want to live in Buffalo.
JQ LLC said...
Why isn't Amazon Andy encouraging building this in a part of the state that could actually use the jobs and infrastructure improvements?
Like, say, Buffalo?
Or have it in that Andyland movie studio in Ithaca.
This should've gone upstate, not to the City. West and upper New York are desperate for jobs - good ones - that cover the spectrum from IT to back-office work to buildings maintenance and warehouse positions. I certainly don't want it here. While it'll generate jobs it's also my taxpayer dollars that are paying for the incentives that lure Jeff Bozos here in the first place!
Nobody wants to live in those boring, freezing shitholes "West and upper New York" Not to mention the snow problems and having to drive 5, 10, 20 + miles to get a lousy, miserable re-heated slice of pizza.
Especially some "Techie" wiz from California or China.
That would be suicide for Amazon & Google
"West and upper New York are desperate for jobs"
Most are alcoholic dummy's & pot heads with no high-tech skills.
Ever been to Binghampton or worse Kingston on a Friday evening?---good gosh.
no disagreement from me on either of those points. it's a chicken egg conundrum: good jobs attract good people, and vice versa, both are necessary prerequisites to each other to an extent.
@Joe
>and Congress members are now inaugurated, WTF?
Yes, every political position has their own inauguration, what did you think?
From the last inauguration:
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/03/us/politics/a-new-congress-is-sworn-in-but-with-many-old-faces.html
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