New York State is a different place today. It's littered with the wreckage of what once was the Independent Democratic Conference.
And nowhere was the rubble deeper than in Queens, where a pair of state Senators were ousted in Tuesday's Democratic primaries by challengers who dubbed them traitors to their party.
In District 13, it was four-term state Sen. Jose Peralta (D-East Elmhurst) who lost his re-election bid to former mayoral aide Jessica Ramos — a fierce critic of her "turncoat" opponent's IDC membership.
With 99 percent of precincts reporting, Ramos had won 12,181 vote to Peralta's 10,021 — good for a 10-percentage point margin.
In District 11, fellow four-term incumbent state Sen. Tony Avella (D-Bayside) was defeated by former city Comptroller John Liu in a rematch of 2014's Democratic primary — a race Avella won by a mere 568 votes.
This time around, it was Liu who came out victorious, defeating the incumbent 12,133 ballots to 10,846 — a 6-point margin.
The funny thing is unless there's a flip in the Senate then there won't be any "progressive legislation" getting passed in Albany because Simcha Felder won re-election easily. Basically all that happened is that the greater Bayside area voted for overdevelopment and corruption. Smart move!
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So sorry Avella lost, even though he had critics on this comment feed, he was a rare breed, an honest official. Liu winning is despairing and detrimental to the borough, and it looks like there is a new demographic living in that district.
Great now we are stuck with john liu again. Won't be voting for him in the actual elections that's for sure!
Well you can kiss places like Queens Civic Congress, Bayside and Poppenhusen goodbye.
The problem with Tony was that he wanted to be a cult - built nothing that would outlast him.
As to Liu, the people voted exactly what they wanted - it was the Asians who wanted one of their boys to do things their way. Welcome to 'Flushing East' - a place once called Bayside.
Funny about the Democrats and identity politics. They complain Trump but they are experts at dividing and exploiting divisions within a community. This guy got in because he was Asian. And the Democrats will say nothing but their tired 'diversity' garbage.
Everyone talks about integrity, fighting corruption, showing independence rewarding hard work and results. However, today, the party bosses showed who's in charge...and that the voters are mere sheep who follow the script...the play...the way the bosses directed it.
The destruction of Bayside is now complete and John Liu will complete the job that Valllone has started.
Congrats Bayside...have fun walking down the cattleway...there's a bolt pistol waiting for you at the end.
district 11 voted for a crook
Tommy Huang is rubbing his hands together with an evil laugh.
I'm sure the race baiters will crawl out to opine about the Liu-Avella contest.
IMO, race is only one component, the other is just changing demographics of N.E. Queens.
I've been in Bayside for business since 1996 and more-so beginning in mid 1998. In the last 7 years Bayside has become decidedly more Asian. This trend was going on at low level even 20 years ago, but it is now undeniable. They are overwhelmingly Democratic.
Another factor is wide ranging revulsion at what today's Trump GOP has become. This situation has become more polarized than anything I've seen since I was a child in the 1960s when the issues were civil rights and the Vietnam war.
Avella's actions whether pragmatic or cynical, caught up with him and he got washed away as did most of the others whose actions had schemed against the interests of average constituents.
The State Senate will be Democratic beginning next year. Unfortunately, a lot of the corrupting money will now just flow to the other side of the the aisle.
Rob in Manhattan
Heartbroken to lose Tony Avella. He is the only one we could count on. Are there absentee ballots? Recount?? Fraud??
liu being asian is one factor among many. there are many kinds of asians and they aren't a political monolith anymore than superficially similar types of white people are. I didn't see Avella standing up much to zone changes...
anyway, plenty of upper middle class and (& just plain upper class) home owning Koreans, whites, Indians, etc out in NEQ. will be interesting to see whether they engage with the new (old)comer any differently.
it would be more important to focus on his track record as a comptroller.
Recount?? no
Fraud?? yes
Trump wants to clean up the voter roles and you just follow the Democratic Machine script - which is written to benefit them and not you.
Nitwits.
Anonymous Rob in Manhattan said...
I'm sure the race baiters will crawl out to opine about the Liu-Avella contest.
So once again, someone decides to say that RACE DOES MATTER. So people vote Liu simply because he's Asian? People then speak of Trump...
If this is the case, there's no difference between someone who votes a race and those who cater to one. Party Bosses win either way.
BUT how many people on this site actually went out to vote because as usual voter turnout was DISMAL.
Tony Avella did nothing throughout his entire political career but promise and not deliver. Liu will be trouble. But when you embrace the Democrats, you get what you vote for. Asta la vist Tony! Try a real job now.
No bayside voted out an opportunist who used the slim majority to get leadership positions his seniority would not have regularly afford him and took the illegal stipend (lulu) pay that came with it. He is no different than Espada or Monserrate.
I feel bad for Avella, but he made a serious mistake going IDC.
Welcome to the NYSSR - New York Soviet Socialist Republic
I'm hoping Avella will run for Vallone's (term-limited) City Council seat, unless Graziano does. Tony and Graziano are really the only politician and candidate who care about protecting the character of the neighborhood(s).
Tony was the last politician left that gave a shit about our area. I can't believe all these people that hate Avella think Liu is going to be any good. They are in for a rude awakening.
Re: what "rob in Manhattan" said:
"Another factor is wide ranging revulsion at what today's Trump GOP has become. This situation has become more polarized than anything I've seen since I was a child in the 1960s when the issues were civil rights and the Vietnam war. "
hahaha, spoken like a true non-minority.
Asian Americans are benefiting greatly from the President's policies like ending discriminatory policies at IVY league schools. Unlike Democrats like Deblasio who want to take away Asian seats at the specialized high schools.
Read this:
https://gop.com/washington-examiner-asian-americans-are-winning-big-under-trump
Trump won a greater percentage of Black and Hispanic voters in 2016 and his approval in the black community is increasing, despite white liberals on TV 24/7 telling all the minorities that they're stupid for liking him. Amazing how talk can only get you so far isn't it?
This "revulsion" you speak of, what exactly is it based on ? That trump said Mexico is sending us a lot of rapists and murderers? You've seen the list of MS-13 members being deported from Long Island I assume?! Mexican-Americans applaud the Trump administration for ridding their communities of this pestilence!
My guess is that you've been listening to Upper West Side libtard news editors too long on NBC, CNN or the NYTimes which is the permanent home of the perpetually offended.
Is your "revulsion" perhaps more because he's stated that we need to end ridiculous and out of control immigration schemes like chain-migration filling up Queens single family homes with 30 people per floor, and abusive visa systems crowding our universities with Chinese spies? Look up Confucious Institutes or just read this:
https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2018/02/15/fbi-director-testifies-chinese-students-and-intelligence-threats
Lord save us all from these sanctimonious and self-righteous white liberals trying to keep the plantation system going.
Harry Haller
Sadly, corruption rules. Liu will definitely not take on the DOB and zoning regulations! Very sad day come December 31st and the new State Senator.
Read CityLimits. It wasn't the IDC alliance that brought down Tony Avella. Liu was campaigning on, "We need change." Well, we don't need change when an elected and his staff are taking action on matters brought to them.
Should we look to the Republicans?
https://citylimits.org/2018/09/12/five-years-removed-from-mayoral-defeat-john-liu-looks-for-a-comeback-in-queens/
Liu's victory makes Paladino more competitive now. If the Reps were smart, they would band behind Paladino because there are enough crossover and disaffected Dems to be mined to actually win the seat. Of course, as always with Republicans in Queens, the big "if" rarely materializes.
Anonymouse - To say that Tony is equal to Espada or Monserrate is absolutely ridiculous. You are nuts.
Is there a record of how many new Asian voters signed up since Liu declared his candidacy in July?
"My guess is that you've been listening to Upper West Side libtard news editors....."
Remember the old Groucho Marx show called "You Bet Your Life"-? When someone uttered a certain word a toy duck would pop down from the flies.
The minute dopes like you say "libtard" "lame stream" or other idiocy parroted from talk radio, you type yourself as self-defeating ignoramuses who are easily manipulated into voting against their own interests.
Types like you die as dumb as the day they were born.
That jackass in the White House is likely to be indicted and may end up in prison.
It was just announced that trump's bag man, Manafort
This farce of an administration is going to end badly. is going to plead and cooperate. What happened Thursday is not unique, it has been happening all over the country.
There is a reason why that bunch disbanded earlier this year and tried to disavow their actions ever since. They know what is coming and wanted to save their jobs.
Over. Done.
Read Woodward's book, have a few drinks, you'll need it.
Rob in Manhattan
Re: Anonymous Anonymous said...
Anonymouse - To say that Tony is equal to Espada or Monserrate is absolutely ridiculous. You are nuts
You are absolutely correct. Monserrate is a common thug and violent felon. Espada spent a lifetime enriching himself at the expense of the Bronx. Two POS's.
You can disagree with Avella on whatever you like, but linking him with these other scumbags doesn't pass the smell test.
@Anonymous Rob in Manhattan
Robbie boy, corruption has no race buddy!
Harry Haller - always enjoy your posts. I am a Trump guy but I do not for one second believe the fallacy being reported lately that Trump is increasing in popularity with black voters. I have seen absolutely no evidence of that anywhere.
I bet you Vicky Paladino would take a harder stand against the mayor on the SHSAT than Liu would. Her campaign needs to help her get that message out to the Asian community. Because that senate vote can and will stop the mayor and Carranza if it squashes the repeal of Hecht-Calandra
Not mentioned here is that all four candidates will still be on the ballot. Avella may pick off enough votes from Liu on the Independence and Women's Equality lines to hand victory to Paladino. Could happen.
an opportunist who used the slim majority to get leadership positions his seniority would not have regularly afford him and took the illegal stipend (lulu) pay that came with it.
Avella refused to take the stipends that came with his committee leadership.
And did you consider that, by joining the IDC, Avella was hoping that he could enact legislation to benefit his district? Remember that even with the IDC rejoining the Dems, they don't have a majority because of Simcha Felder. (And nothing that happened yesterday will change that.)
Wonder if Liu will flip-flop and go against his Progressive handlers to support keeping the specialized high school entrance test.
Joe Moretti said...
BUT how many people on this site actually went out to vote because as usual voter turnout was DISMAL.
I voted at 5 last night. It was extremely empty when I went. But I TRIED my best to vote Avella in. But I lost.
John Liu got in the race the last two months and apparently had raised enough funds to deluge voters like me with slick flyers every day for a week or two. For a guy with an history of fundraising scandals it should be interesting if he has any new scandals.
Allegedly, the people at North Shore Towers were told to vote for Liu and were told that Avella was anti-co-ops/condos.
Asian voters
Its all the Irish blue collar union guys in Whitestone that seated Lui
You got to see the shit, Lui shows up at a kids ballgame in the park to read a script of words and these guys who work for Parks Dept, Sanitation act like they are watching Jesus Christ back from the grave. They tipped the scales on this.
Avella lost a lot of votes due to that internet speech law and that Zombie home now plowed and replaced with a BIG ugly box taking up all the once quiet old street parking. It was a rigged closed auction to builders only, people who lived on the block couldn't even bid on it.
Sometimes it best to leave things alone, a couple kids smoking pot with some whores wasn't harming anybody.
Re: anonymous said:
"Harry Haller - always enjoy your posts. I am a Trump guy but I do not for one second believe the fallacy being reported lately that Trump is increasing in popularity with black voters. I have seen absolutely no evidence of that anywhere."
I appreciate your support my friend. Fear not, I always have the evidence to back up my claims. In fact, I usually go through the trouble of sourcing the information through leftist media outlets so as not to offend the sensibilities of the misguided liberals or have them doubt my contentions. This comes from USA Today citing recent Rasmussen and NAACP polling:
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2018/08/16/trump-approval-rating-african-americans-rasmussen-poll/1013212002/
Harry Haller
Re: what Rob in Manhattan said:
"The minute dopes like you say "libtard" "lame stream" or other idiocy parroted from talk radio, you type yourself as self-defeating ignoramuses who are easily manipulated into voting against their own interests.
Types like you die as dumb as the day they were born.
That jackass in the White House is likely to be indicted and may end up in prison.
It was just announced that trump's bag man, Manafort
This farce of an administration is going to end badly. is going to plead and cooperate. What happened Thursday is not unique, it has been happening all over the country."
Rube in Manhattan,
I call you guys libtards because you continue to do the same thing over and over again while expecting a different result. That's the definition of insanity according to Einstein.
Libtards continue to hit the play button on breathless CNN and NBC news stories about how the President is going down for two years now, but it never happens.
Talk about typecasting yourself, have you ever taken a few minutes to read your own words and wonder how much of your ideas come from hack "editors" in the news media?
I'm sure you were convinced of Hillary's victory in November 2016, even as she was too drunk to come out and concede defeat. Ask yourself why you were so certain of her victory that night and why you were so far off. I should get paid for this type of therapy, really.
Manafort was indicted on tax issues from years before he worked with Trump's campaign. He only worked on the Trump campaign a short while anyway, and there's not been a shred of evidence of this so called "collusion" from his legal problems. Just a bunch of off shore accounts and tax issues.
There's been plenty of T & A action however, through Stormy Daniels (who's apparently the new role model/hero for women, according to the liberal press) and other side-show stories but somehow, never a leak or inside story of actual collusion with Russia.
What has come to light through all this is the actual collusion between the Obama administration, Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Obama appointed FBI/CIA. The emails and texts reveal everything you need to know. Basically, they all lied to FISA courts in an organized plan to undo a duly elected President. This "collusion" bullshit is just the tail end of that illegal manipulation of our court system. Ask yourself this: if there was something on Trump, wouldn't it have been leaked by now, two years into this?
You talk about Woodward's book, LOL, Woodward himself just said this when asked if he found any evidence, in all of his research and interviews, of "collusion":
"I did not, and of course, I looked for it, looked for it hard. And so you know, there we are,"
Bob Woodward
Sure, I'll have a drink and continue to enjoy the show watching people like you implode when the news stories you cling to for salvation don't line up with actual reality. ...fade to that image of grown men and women crying while kneeling on the ground on election day........
Affectionately,
Harry Haller
All the 3rd party candidates hurt Paladino more than Liu. Avella will draw republicans and women on the independence and women’s equality lines and Minching will draw other republicans on the conservative line. Barring something unexpected, Liu will win this.
I doubt it--North Shore Towers is mostly Jewish, Indians and Arab types who work in the local Northwell LIJ hospitals.
@Harry
Woodward did find that the cabinet members (those appointed and not elected) are going behind Trump's back shaping policies.
https://impunitycity.wordpress.com/2018/09/06/the-deep-state-manifesto/
Trump is not running the country, the deep, no, the steady state is, going by that irresponsible op-ed the NY times ran weeks ago. Trump is too busy looking at his twitter responses all day and night.
Manafort's vile intransigence and compulsive spending (ostrich coats. these assholes have the same taste as 70's pimps) is not just tax issues, this bastard has made a career lobbying propping up dictators and oligarch rulers, some who used to be allies.
It's not collusion or even hacking to influence the election (that is so obvious now), it's money laundering. And it's possible that when Manafort was campaign manager, he was laundering foreign donor cash to pay for Stormy, Karen McDougal and even that playboy centerfold who got allegedly knocked up by that GOP fundraiser.
And Manafort got sloppy with his dealings and was exposed. That might have been when the Trump campaign let him go.
JQ LLC
Give 'em hell, Harry Haller! Love it!
here, if you want to see the train behind that oncoming headlight:
https://www.cnn.com/2017/05/22/politics/trump-taj-mahal/index.html
https://www.propublica.org/article/trump-inc-podcast-money-laundering-and-the-trump-taj-mahal
https://www.wnycstudios.org/shows/trumpinc
http://fortune.com/2015/02/11/trump-taj-mahal-casino-settles-u-s-money-laundering-claims/
https://www.globalwitness.org/en/campaigns/corruption-and-money-laundering/narco-a-lago-panama/
https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2017/08/21/trumps-business-of-corruption
https://fpif.org/trumps-dirty-money/
https://newrepublic.com/article/143586/trumps-russian-laundromat-trump-tower-luxury-high-rises-dirty-money-international-crime-syndicate
-And literally hundreds more..
While this all may be "news" out there in the hinterlands, there is NO excuse for a New Yorker backing this scum.
Happy reading.
Rob in Manhattan
-And literally hundreds more..
Should have been "liberally" and not literally.
Great, the most honest man in Queens got kicked out in favor of the second most corrupt man in Queens after Joe Crowley.
Indivisible got played. They were supposed to fight the Democratic establishment; instead they promptly became their running dogs.
> Avella may pick off enough votes from Liu on the Independence and Women's Equality lines to hand victory to Paladino. Could happen.
More likely Avella will siphon votes from Paladino. But let's hope. Bayside is in deep trouble with Liu..
>Avella lost a lot of votes due to that internet speech law
That was an astoundingly stupid piece of legislation better suited for the UK or EU.
....hahahaha,
Nice try "Rob in Manhattan".
Try posting an actual conviction in all that.
...oh yeah, there is none.
(...quietly leans back in his lounge chair drinking a glass of Beaujolais to the sound of Mozart's Symphony #40 in G Minor....Molto Allegro....)
Harry Haller
Crowley supposed john liu, nuff said. I hope paladino win otherwise kiss your neighborhood goodbye. Liu is a crook made in Taiwan.
VOTE USA, VOTE Palladino. Vote Made in USA not made in Taiwan
Since Avella will be on the ballot on some 3rd party lines, it will be interesting to see:
- if he stops campaigning;
- if he endorses Liu, like the Democrat machine will probably demand/expect of him;
- if he breaks ranks and endorses Palladino;
- or, if he chooses to remain silent and not endorse anyone.
The new slogan should be: "Anyone but Liu."
Go Harry Haller!
How on earth could the Conservative Party run someone like Minching?? The guy is a freakin' liberal- his statements on abortion and guns alone don't even qualify him as RINO. Hell, Avella is more Conservative than Minching.
I was going to switch my registration to CON from REP but now I see the Longs just march to the orders from the Haggertys so whats the f'in point? For the record, this has pushed me over to Paladino. Go Vickie!!
“VOTE USA, VOTE Palladino. Vote Made in USA not made in Taiwan”
When you say dumb shit like this, you spark the progressive community. Keep up the ignorant Deep South Trumpkin rhetoric. You will guarantee a Liu win.
BTW, if you cut me, I bleed red, white and blue.
Miles Mullin
This blog is sooo educational.
Crowley endorsed Avella and the Queens County operation worked to invalidate John Liu's petitions. Please don't blame Crowley for Avella's loss.
Someone is making up for long lost education
"When you say dumb shit like this, you spark the progressive community. Keep up the ignorant Deep South Trumpkin rhetoric. You will guarantee a Liu win.
BTW, if you cut me, I bleed red, white and blue."
Sounds like Steve Behar wrote this.
There was alot of Asians supporting Avella. They did not want Lui. He left his treasuer to fry...poor girl.. Many of Avella's volunteers were Asian. They know that the flip flopper Lui would screw them with the SHSAT Specialized HS Test. Many Many Asians did not want Lui. Still trying to figure out how he won.
> Still trying to figure out how he won.
Corruption + support from the machine + support from gullible Berniecrats tricked into supporting the machine
First of all, i'm a centralist or independent, i believe somethings on the left and some are the right. I did voted for Liu and i hate Avella's guts. Me and my family will keep voting for Liu. It's anyone but Avella.
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