During a closed-door meeting with Mayor Bill de Blasio last week, the city's police union leaders asked the mayor to denounce what they perceived as anti-police actions by City Council Speaker Melissa Mark-Viverito, according to Ed Mullins, president of the Sergeants Benevolent Association.
In a radio interview with Joe Piscopo on Monday, Mullins said the union presidents voiced displeasure to the mayor about Mark-Viverito donning an "I can't breathe!" T-shirt to protest a Staten Island grand jury's decision not to indict an officer in the death of Eric Garner.
Mark-Viverito and many other council members wore the shirts at a Council meeting last month, shortly after about 20 members staged a "die-in" outside City Hall to protest the decision. (Mark-Viverito did not participate in that demonstration.)
Mullins called the meeting with de Blasio a "golden opportunity" for the mayor to improve his broken relationship with police unions, but said de Blasio defended Mark-Viverito, his close political ally.
"He defended it with—they have a First Amendment right, she's not his puppet, and that she felt very strongly about a grand jury decision," Mullins said on the AM970 show "The Answer."
"What he did was he reasoned her actions. But the question was would you denounce her actions, and he didn't answer that," Mullins said.
Do ya think that perhaps it was the fact that deBlasio handpicked Viverito as Speaker and then proceeded to not veto anything she and her council minions passed that made the police union think that he'd hold some sway over her.
And there's a split in the Council with regard to how to proceed with police reform bills.
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So everyone has a heart attack when cops (many of whom are off duty or from other departments) silently turn their backs at a funeral while he speaks after he has attacked them for months.
However there is no outrage when city council members (led by the head moron in charge of the council) scream I can't breathe and hold die in's on the steps of city hall and act like total idiots.
Do ya think that it could also be that a lot of people, even reasonable ones, think the Garner non-indictment was wrong? Why does the mayor have to change his opinion on the case to appease Lynch?
Joe Piscopo has a radio show? Isn't he from New Jersey? "I'm from 'Jersey".
Many classic SNL skits.
Thinking the Garner indictment was wrong and saying that people's kids should be afraid of cops are two different things. The way to reform the police department is by changing procedures, which is generally done by the police commissioner, not by lambasting the department publicly.
oh, do you have a list of the nitwits on council that did the die-in?
"Thinking the Garner indictment was wrong and saying that people's kids should be afraid of cops are two different things."
If you are talking about Diblasio and the talk he says he had with his son, look, every parent should tell their kids to proceed with caution in dealing with police. they are trained to use force and to kill if they feel threatened. And frankly, many of them whatever their race have an "us against you" attitude.
Police are absolutely necessary, but I have an apt in Thailand and can see first-hand what happens when they are not kept on a short leash and allowed to become too secretive and untouchable.
Yes, all should tell their kids how to deal with police, but leave out the part about indictments not going the way you want them to being due to centuries of racism.
" oh, do you have a list of the nitwits on council that did the die-in?"
There were a couple of videos I saw of the die-in participants; one of the videos even labeled the participants. But this weekend, mysteriously, the videos were removed from the IT. One council member I clearly recognized was Karen Koslowitz.
Politicians are absolutely necessary, but I have an apt in New York City and can see first-hand what happens when they are not kept on a short leash and allowed to become too secretive and untouchable
Yes, all should tell their kids how to deal with police, but leave out the part about indictments not going the way you want them to being due to centuries of racism.
Wasn't the "centuries of racism" comment more about the alleged racism of the Grand Jury members and Staten Island D.A. Dan Donovan (in not securing an indictment) rather than the NYPD?
I wonder if Mark-Viverito ever settled that problem with her property in Harlem where she didn't report the rent on her financial disclosure for several years?
Seems that the boy mayor's good pals have a problem with obeying the city laws. Rachel Noerdlinger couldn't pay her taxes, lived in NJ, didn't report her living arrangements and failed to pay parking tickets.
I bet if someone investigated further we'd find out that more of the mayors buddies were in violation of some law.
Ah yeas, but I forget... all of these people have great integrity according to de Blasio. But the NYPD are selfish and disrespectful.
What a freakin' idiot we have as the mayor!
"Wasn't the "centuries of racism" comment more about the alleged racism of the Grand Jury members and Staten Island D.A. Dan Donovan (in not securing an indictment) rather than the NYPD?"
Perhaps it was, perhaps it was not. But it was in the same speech as the NYPD statement. Bill is a piss poor orator who can't get his message across appropriately and it's causing him some major problems.
Here's what Pat Lynch said today and he hit the nail on the head:
"When [de Blasio] attacks the New York City police department, he’s attacking his own department and his own policies," Patrick Lynch, president of the Patrolman's Benevolent Association, said on NPR's All Things Considered. "If the policy is wrong then change it. We’ll follow our orders and effectively police that policy. But when he criticizes his department, he’s criticizing his own policy.”
Crappy, you are being too polite. deBlasio's statement about historical injustice imperiling today's youth was CLEARLY directed at officers:
"This is profoundly personal to me. I was at the White House the other day, and the president of the United States turned to me, and he met Dante a few months ago, and he said that Dante reminded him of what he looked like as a teenager. And he said I know you see this crisis through a very personal lens. And I said to him, I did.
Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face. A good young man, law-abiding young man who would never think to do anything wrong. And yet, because of a history that still hangs over us, the dangers he may face, we've had to literally train him—as families have all over this city for decades—in how to take special care in any encounter he has with the police officers who are there to protect him.
And that painful sense of contradiction that our young people see first, that our police are here to protect us, and we honor that, and at the same time, there's a history we have to overcome, because for so many of our young people, there's a fear. And for so many of our families, there's a fear.
So I've had to worry over the years. Chirlane's had to worry. Is Dante safe each night? There are so many families in this city who feel that each and every night. Is my child safe? And not just from some of the painful realities—crime and violence in some of our neighborhoods—but is safe from the very people they want to have faith in as their protectors.
That's the reality."
Thank you.
"...who would never think to do anything wrong."
How's de Blasio know what the kid thinks? All this talk about teaching Dante how to handle police officers. Where's the talk about not robbing convenience stores and selling untaxed cigarettes in public? Did de Blasio and McCray sit Dante down and ever have that discussion with him? Does anyone in the black community do this?
Let's interview the kid. He's no dope. He goes to Brooklyn Tech.
Yes. Thank you for providing Mayor Big Slow's words.
Paragraphs 1 and 2, I can work with. Paragraphs 3 and 4, the ultra Lefty kicks in. And for that, we are in for a heap of trouble.
I have been pro police and pro NY city all this time,I'm just realizing the police and good people of NY don't stand a chance with the communist and LA raza joining forces,NY will soon be Detroit.
Here's what Pat Lynch said today and he hit the nail on the head
Here's what Denis Hamill, who is in no way a cop-hating lefty, wrote in the Daily News yesterday - I'd like to hear Patrick Lynch respond:
"PATRICK LYNCH must resolve to come clean on his true motives for attacking our pro-labor mayor. Did he say there was blood on Mayor de Blasio's hands because Lynch is running for a fifth term as Patrolmen's Benevolent Association president and is still getting flak over the traffic ticket indictments from his Bronx delegates at the monthly meetings at Anton's? Or because some Brooklyn North trustees were considering running against him for his utter failure to get a contract out of Mike Bloomberg in his last four years? Did Lynch exploit the murders of two good cops the way Rudy Giuliani exploited the dead of 9/11 for political mileage?"
Why would or should Pay Lynch respond to Dennis Hamill?
Because Chirlane and I have had to talk to Dante for years about the dangers that he may face.
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So I've had to worry over the years. Chirlane's had to worry. Is Dante safe each night?
Comrade Warren Wilhelm: You are a college graduate, so I assume you have taken some sort of college level course in statistics.
Question:
Which is statistically more likely?:
a.) Your son Dante has an unfortunate encounter with a NY City Police Officer
or
b.) Your son Dante has an unfortunate encounter with a fellow Black or Hispanic "youth"?
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exactly. nobody takes anything from the daily news seriously anymore. that paper actually makes the post seem legit, and thats saying a lot.
Denis Hamill is a pimp for all that is liberal in NYC.
exactly. nobody takes anything from the daily news seriously anymore. that paper actually makes the post seem legit, and thats saying a lot.
That's the same paper that has raised almost $400,000 for the Ramos and Liu families so far. Yeah, they're real bastards...
George, I can't speak for "the black community"...whatever that is....but as a black female with two brothers who grew up in an in-tact, 2 parent home: My parents spoke to us about right vs. Wrong and being law abiding citizens. We were also given the same speech as Dante.
The mayor may have picked the wrong time to say this stuff, but he is not wrong. Going to one of the specialized high schools or having advanced degrees doesn't automatically make one immune from potential hostility by the police. In fact, being in a suit and tie doesn't even guarantee that (as my brother can confirm). If only it did. If only this kind of stuff ONLY happened to the criminal element in our society.
Statistically Dante could have 5 to 7 baby's and baby mamas well because you know why and we the village idiots could pay for their rent and medical and food,statistically I'm saying
"We were also given the same speech as Dante."
Me, a white guy, was given the same "speech". Also, law-abiding Hispanics and Asians. When a cop tells you to "stop", stop. When a cop tells you to get out of the street and onto the sidewalk OR if your told not to loiter selling loose cigarettes on the street, what would YOU do?
What was your suit and tie-wearing brother doing?
So the Dante should fear the 2 detectives assigned to protect him 24/7?
Here is NYC Council doing the die in; Lancemen, Klostowitz, Van Bramer etc.
Anyone guess if the spineless Queens weeklies cover this, or will they obey their political and real estate minders with their policy of keeping the Queens reader ignorant of the real world?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/12/08/city-council-eric-garner_n_6290654.html
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/city-council-hold-die-city-hall-article-1.2038760
the main problem with these appointed officials is they think they are still struggling to get social justice when they are actually in a position where they can make it a reality.
clearly they prefer to agitate instead of legislate.and that includes our noble faux liberal mayor.who still vicariously see themselves as struggling folks raging at the machine that they run and control.
and again,mayor big slow turned the other way and let bratton continue his broken windows methods(a plan as useful as the triangle offense),going after minimal offenses like selling loosies and pot possession.If there is something you can blame the blaz for this city and the anarchy to come,it starts there.
Everything this mayor does stems from the blank ticket city council give him.
Have you heard any one from that august body make a whimper?
So the Dante should fear the 2 detectives assigned to protect him 24/7?
No, the (potential) danger is when he's walking on the street without the detectives - and I assume de Blasio had the conversation with his son several years ago, not last month. Let's face it - we all make assumptions about people based on their appearance. And to some people, when they see this young black man with the big afro, they may react differently than if he was a different color. If Dante was not the Mayor's son (or the Public Advocate's son last year), and if the policy had not been changed, he'd definitely be "stopped and frisked."
"minimal offenses like selling loosies"
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I can't breath reading this comment.
Garner was selling those cigarettes over and over and over again. The storeowners on that street had to contend continuously with - let me put this in the finest New Yorkese - a FAT FUCK blocking their places of business. So they keep calling the cops to get that SHITHEAD outta there.
I bet you just love it yourself when you go to the bank or store and you're accosted by guys who are selling candy for so-called youth sports leagues.
"If Dante was not the Mayor's son (or the Public Advocate's son last year), and if the policy had not been changed, he'd definitely be "stopped and frisked."
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Nah, the cops would more probably stop and frisk him if he had long dreadlocks. Coming down da shtreet these days with an Afro? The cops would probably iPhone photo him while laughing their asses off.
What was your suit and tie-wearing brother doing?
Probably walking while Black...
No, the (potential) danger is when he's walking on the street without the detectives - and I assume de Blasio had the conversation with his son several years ago, not last month. Let's face it - we all make assumptions about people based on their appearance. And to some people, when they see this young black man with the big afro, they may react differently than if he was a different color. If Dante was not the Mayor's son (or the Public Advocate's son last year), and if the policy had not been changed, he'd definitely be "stopped and frisked."
If what you say is true, then black officers should be performing fewer stop and frisk than white officers. I doubt this is the case, but if you can demonstrate it, then we'll talk.
If what you say is true, then black officers should be performing fewer stop and frisk than white officers. I doubt this is the case, but if you can demonstrate it, then we'll talk.
Not when Ray Kelly and his crew were enforcing quotas - every cop, no matter what race or color, had to keep the numbers high.
The problem is that the last few years is that Stop/ question/ frisk was overused to to make up for the 5000 cops bloomberg/kelly cut from the nypd. Without the omnipresence ,the mutts wold now feel that they could now carry their guns with impunity. They improperly used sqf excessively to keep the mutts from carrying. It backfired because you had a young ,inexperienced cops with no strrt smarts tossing everyone they came in contact with. These young cops went from playing video games in their bedroom to playing cop in the street. Or worse they came from a forign country and were so glad to have a job ,they did anything they were told. The problem is today that many just see it as a job annd no more. If you have no passion for your work you will not do it well.
Nah, the cops would more probably stop and frisk him if he had long dreadlocks. Coming down da shtreet these days with an Afro?
The only police that would stop Dante DiBlasio on the street are the fashion police.
His hair is a felony class fashion crime.
A cop chokes to death a guy trying to make a living selling cigarettes. He dies while yelling "I can't breathe". Then the Post and Fox News go on about how he had it coming to them. The grand jury doesn't even send it to trial.
The cops think they can kill people for no reason and get away with it - the courts will back them, the Post will back them. They think they can kick us and kill us and then have the Post write we had it coming and we can do nothing. I guess Ramos and Liu learned the hard way that that wasn't true. Police go about their tasks at the mercy of the communities they dwell in. When the police escalate the standard harassment into a situation of killing for no reason and getting away with it, we the citizens begin to fear for our lives, and the mercy we have given to the police going about our communities starts to diminish. Like it did the day Liu and Ramos made their rounds. The people are not at the mercy of the police, or the courts, or the post. The police are at the mercy of the people. They should consider this the next time they try to choke someone doing nothing to death.
A cop chokes to death a guy trying to make a living selling cigarettes
He was not choked; his body in poor health abreacted to the stress and likely the pressure of being tackled as determined by the autopsy
He was not restrained for selling loosies, but for resisting arrest as evidenced by the video.
We do our fair share of ranting, but we also deal in facts here on Queenscrap, pal!
To the poster above,sounds like you or your peeps are threatening to kill cops, you sound like a contestant for a Darwin Award,I so hope you win 🚽
He was not choked; his body in poor health abreacted to the stress and likely the pressure of being tackled as determined by the autopsy
You don't have to believe that Pantaleo is guilty of criminally negligent homicide to admit that he choked Eric Garner, but you lose all credibility when you say that Garner was not choked. Was Pantaleo just giving him a neck massage? When you put your arms around someone's neck/throat and squeeze, compressing the arteries and cutting off the flow of air and/or blood, it's a choke - that's why it was ruled a homicide by the medical examiner. That means that the death resulted from the actions of another person - it doesn't necessarily mean the other person is guilty of a crime. Please don't be so blinded by your loyalty and say that there was no choke.
He dies while yelling "I can't breathe".
Complete lie!
Read this:
"The news media's narrative of Eric Garner's death in New York is that he died because a chokehold had stopped his breathing. He actually died later, in an ambulance, where his heart stopped while being taken to a hospital. The chokehold was instrumental in triggering Garner's pre-existing health problems of acute and chronic bronchial asthma, obesity and heart disease, but he was not choked to death as claimed by the media. Both Brown and Garner would be alive today if they had not resisted arrest. But pointing that out would not serve the purpose of keeping blacks in a perpetual state of grievance."
See here:
http://townhall.com/columnists/walterewilliams/2015/01/07/
liberals-use-of-black-people-part-ii-n1938848/page/2
Also, check out the picture of the author, Walter Williams.
You don't have to believe that Pantaleo is guilty of criminally negligent homicide to admit that he choked Eric Garner, but you lose all credibility when you say that Garner was not choked
You obviously never took more than a weekend self defense class. There's no way what Pantaleo did would have caused death by asphyxiation to a grown adult.
Pantaleo had his arm around his head for neck control. At no time did he necessarily squeeze through compression or weight as again, was determined by Garner having NO tracheal trauma, which would have HAD to be evident if he died once the officers were off of him.
what pantaleo did was feign a struggle.
watch the video again.
despite garner's obesity and his prior arrests the death was ruled a homicide.he died in the ambulance because he never got the proper treatment from the paramedics,which was simple cpr.they just lamely checked his pulse and did nothing for an hour while every cop stood there and did nothing.
except pantaleo,he laughed and mocked the people around him.
they never found any loosies on him either did they?
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