On Bell Boulevard, there are signs that the demographics in Bayside are changing. Whites still account for the majority of the residents, but census numbers show that the Asian population has tripled in the last two decades.
In 1990, the number of Asians living here was a little more than 5,000. Today, it's around 15,000, according to census estimates.
There are 10,000 Chinese and Korean residents here, and while their population is on the rise, the number of white residents are declining, according to Census estimates from 2008 to 2012. There were 30,000 white residents in 1990. Today, 21,000 live here. Many are not only leaving the neighborhood, but the city as well.
"Cause it's so expensive," said one resident. "It's crazy here. My day will come."
So what's the draw for many Asians? Most say it's the neighborhood's high-performing school district and the after-school programs in the area.
The other part is the beautiful homes and quiet tree-lined streets.
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"Quiet tree-lined streets"
Oh not for long crappers and crap'etts. Asians hate trees and anything that need maintenance like sweeping, trimming or cutting grass.
Bye Bye trees !!
Having grown up in Bayside, I can only agree with your description of the area.As for the Asian angle,its well known.The impetus gor the story, perhaps an attempt to stir up some xenophobia or lingering resentments is unclear at the moment, though the possibility is duly noted.
Asians started coming into bayside / Oakland gardens in the late 70s. by the early 90's there were many blocks that had nothing but Asians. also they bought many of the local business's from whites and converted them into there type of stores complete with signs in there language. now, when I go back to see my mother she is the last Anglo left in a sea of Asians who are very clannish and not the best of neighbors.
Greeks and Italians are the bigger criminals when it comes to teardowns and arboricide in Bayside. Asians do it elsewhere, but it's still those with "new money" doing it in Bayside.
Well my part of bayside didn't have a lot of Asians in it when I was growing up in the 70s-80s in bayside. I grew up on a street with many nice black people. Those black people sold their homes in the late 90s -early 2000s. I've never really seen any Asian people living in bayside (atleast not in my area), the only time I would ever see a lot of Asians was in flushing and even then flushing was much different then it is now. The Asians like bayside because it is close to flushing and all those Koreans left out of flushing because all the Chinese moved into flushing. So the Koreans moved east then the Chinese finally realized that they can coincide with the Koreans so they started to move into bayside. The Koreans have learned that they can get away with breaking zoning laws in bayside then set up churches on every single block then buy up houses just to house their congregation members. The other Part of it is "new money Asians" who just.came off of the planeed because they finally got their USA visa or came into america through their family. The government really needs to halt immigration for a while because it really is getting out of hand. To top it off, there are way too many old people who are moving here, we really don't need more eldery.
Wait Bayside, ten more years and you will see the Asians multiple right before your eyes. You will be amazed on how fast it will happen and you will be the minority in your own neighborhood.
The houses can be carved up to house the restaurant workers who are desperately working of the tens of thousands of dollars ransom borrowed from their families to get here to be delivery boys or bus boys. The properties are perfect for teardowns and yes as neighbors they seem quite but they don't wish to be observed in their activities. Not the houses with the bars are owners with cash businesses who hide the $$ under their mattresses and hope China gangs don't break in to collect tributes owed and trash their homes. Last - yes Chinese people hate trees, greenry and like all new everything despite the glaring cheapness look - it's like a Chinese man's haircut - did you ever see a good one (paid)?
The impetus gor [SIC] the story, perhaps an attempt to stir up some xenophobia or lingering resentments is unclear at the moment, though the possibility is duly noted.
So let me get this straight:
White people noticing Asians moving into Bayside = Ray-ciss
Spike Lee noticing Whites moving into Fort Greene and making idiotic comments in public = Astute observations, speaking truth to power, brilliant social commentary, etc. etc.
OK, I got it!
The anonymous xenophobia in this thread is fuel for the "Archie Bunker" quips made about this site. From the article,
"So what's the draw for many Asians? Most say it's the neighborhood's high-performing school district and the after-school programs in the area... The other part is the beautiful homes and quiet tree-lined streets"
Is this so terrible?
Deke - Spike Lee's recent comments are indeed simpleminded and hypocritical. Think he'll donate royalties from "Do the Right Thing" to a community preservation fund?
Immigration, legal and illegal, is destroying this city. Why are city schools so overcrowded? Could immigration have anything to do with it? The Democratic political hacks who run this city (into the ground) want poor, unskilled and aged immigrants for their votes. These politicos suck and should be voted out of office.
Oh God forbid people should want to come to New York City to raise their families and not be white. And you people wonder why you're all called racists.
Truly awful people.
"Truly awful people."
Why for observing the destruction of your homeland by uncontrolled immigration designed to enslave the working class. Wake up and open your eyes America is falling from within !
"Why for observing the destruction of your homeland by uncontrolled immigration designed to enslave the working class. Wake up and open your eyes America is falling from within !"
No, for painting anyone who doesn't look like you with the broad brush of insinuating they are part of some evil plot just because they exercise their God-given right to buy a house in a nice neighborhood.
I keep telling youse: it's not racism.
It's astute sociological commentary.
University PhD graduate sociology students working "in the field".
I doubt many care about people who don't look like them buying a house in a nice neighborhood. It's more that they get pissed off when people come from elsewhere, tear down the nice trees and houses and put up crap that triples the population of the block and strains services for everyone else. Get it?
So show me a formerly-white/now-Asian majority Queens neighborhood where (a) the appearance of the neighborhood has improved, (b) newer houses are more attractive that the ones torn down (c) there are more trees and grass than before or (d) fewer people on average are living in a house?
Some of this involves law breaking such as tree-killing and the conversion of two-families into eight or ten "apartments", but most of it is just different values and attitudes that anyone with eyes to see can observe. I can understand the resentment.
Tommy Huang...fronting through his son Henry....f----d up Bayside on (I believe Mia Place). So tell me about xenophobia. Is ne not Asian?
Torodash...UR missing the point. This IS pure sociological observation!
Archie Bunker, my ass!
And, yes...Greeks and Italians ALSO hate trees!
Now, buzz off!
Man, the comments here are ignorant. I don't know if they are really from bayside or just racism.
The people who say converting 1 to multifamilies home illegally, killing trees, stinking it up, is MOSTLY in flushing.. I Bayside doesn't have as much (depending on where..because I live in bayide north/bay terrace). Heck, I went to an open house 5 years ago in bayside and the basement was converted an apt ..and that owner is WHITE!
But all people I see are mostly asians at the open house.
I see asians moving into bayside/bay terrace area and NONE of them wanted to cut healthy trees..just very small ones in their backyard or if it's leaning on their property.. Again small thin ones. They like to keep their lawns nice or pay someone to maintain them. I don't know what you guys are smoking or if you know where bayside really is, but I don't see that in my neighborhood and there are plenty of asians.. just staggered around..not like bunched into a street!
They are polite and they have kids who goes to school..and in fact some doesn't mind them moving in. (there was a neighborhood who told another neighbor..uhoh, asian are moving into that house and that other neightbor say.. that's fine.. asians are sometimes one of the nicest people I ever met..(and both of them are white ..the one who made the comment was italian though)
I think like Queenscrapper said, people are afraid of asians moving in because they will build new building which are culturely different and have multifamily living in 1 family house, etc. I don't see that in my neighborhood.. so maybe you guys are talking about southern bayside, way below the LIE..but I don't see that either... I see new houses up, but in northern bayside/southern bay terrace, I DO NOT SEE what you guys are talking about.
SMH.
You are blind if you don't see multiple Asian families living in these houses. My daughter had a friend who was Asian and she lived right on 45 road and 202 street....her family lived in the second floor of tne side of the house, another woman with her son lived on the other side of the second floor of the house. A family lived on the main first floor and there was a family in the basement. 4 families in a supposed two family house. Of course I reported it to the cb11. Don't forget about the prostitution ring they set up on 47 Ave across from the hmart that they claim is a "spa"....I have Chinese neighbors across the street from me who use their basement as a church.... of course I reported them too. I have a Chinese family up the block from me who do nothing but collect bottles and cans all day long, their front yards look like crap! You people need to open your eyes. Not to mention, heaven forbid if.they write their signs in English or actually hired an American to work in their stores!
could not agree more
The problem is the Department Of Buildings, My Asian neighbor just built an illegal basement apartment, I called 311 and opened a complaint. By the time the department of buildings responded, the apartment was completed, all signs of construction were gone! Now I open a complaint about someone living in the basement apartment and the buildings department responds, "Asian occupant refused access to inspect", they close the complaint. Boy do the Asians know how to play the system!!!!.
There is building and zoning massacre by asians happening in Bayside and Bay Terrace . Local state and federal government are ignoring the uncontrollbale stream of immigration that is not reflected in census and surely not in incoming taxes......
Dob and zoning boards are approving unfathomable contraptions, "massage" parlors and hotels that are actually bordels. How much do we have to pay so that local reps can fish more votes next time around? "Mexico" government is a little baby compared to Chinese and Korean government. They will bring our economy to their knees.
I lived in Bayside since 1980, both Douglaston and Bayside, have went from mostly white to now mostly Asian, some say its still mostly white and I strongly disagree, except for the area around Bay Terrace, Asians now dominate this area. And I hate how people claim that the whites in this area are racists because the Asians who moved here actually worse, I used to have white neighbors who used to talk to me, say hello in the morning, occasionally invite me to dinner, their kids played with mine, now this neighborhood is filled with Asians who stick with their own kind, fill up houses with 20 people and never even give the time of day to anyone who does not look like them. A couple of days ago the McDonald's on Springfield Blvd. just shut down, many of the businesses on that street are owned and catered to for Asians. It is only a matter to time before the other non Asian businesses close or leave.
Been a Bayside Hills resident for 30 plus years and have seen the changes. It's terrible being in the middle of all these Asian people. They aren't friendly, they are very messy, and the people who come in the night collecting cans are disgusting...they even have the nerve to come into our backyards to search MY garbage. We really need more strict guidelines in Bayside to take away unwanted "bumb-like" people strolling our streets with shopping carts full of cans. Not to mention the zoning laws are not enforced destroying the integrity of our neighborhood.
Doesn't look like we can regain our neighborhood back ever again.
As a white person living in Bayside, so what. Yall need to chill the fuck out.
lol
They must be deported and this is why we must elect Trump as president. Look at all the overdevelopment going in in Bayside. The Asians just bought the land where the former Bayside YMCA was and now they are building a monstrosity there. I drive past there every day and even on the weekend construction is going on there. The residents who live around there probably don't get any piece and quite. This is happening all over
I've lived my entire 53 years in Bayside - south of the expressway, between Bell and Springfield. It really pains me to agree with much of the sentiment on this thread. I was brought up in an extremely tolerant, liberal Jewish home. Of course I've watched this mass influx of Korean's right before my eyes. I have a front row seat to all of their behaviors, patterns and habits. Some of the Korean neighbors try to smile and be friendly, others - not so much. But how have I changed? Of course I would never vote for Trump, because hatred will never solve this problem or any other. But, I will not go to Alley Pond Park anymore. I grew up in that Park. Most of the stores here don't cater to Non Asian people, so I don't shop anywhere locally. I wish I didn't feel this way, because my nature is to be color blind. Maybe 15 years ago, there should have been some limit on this massive movement of people from one country - to one neighborhood. At the end of the day, my 8 year old Son is in the 15 % minority of Non Asians in PS 213. When I go to see a school play, I get horrible anxiety and panic disorder. I think the amount and volume of Korean language swirling around my head brings it on. Then I have to leave the school play - and go home and take Clonipin to relax. This really is not a healthy way to live. I know that it's only getting worse. Every time an original Bayside ranch home is sold, the pattern continues. And more Asians come - and more...I would stay in Bayside and probably die here, if the community was at least a mix of nationalities. I never felt like I needed to live in a predominantly White, Jewish neighborhood. But it turns out that we surrender. This is not a battle or a hatred - just a resignation that I live in a fully Korean neighborhood, and I can't handle it anymore. Moving to Commack.
A curious case of gentrification and denial.
White people and black people share their resentment of Asians taking over, because they are unaccustomed to being a minority and it makes them uncomfortable.
I'm Asian, and when I was 6, walking home from school as a latch-key kid back in the 70's; I had a elderly white lady come up to me and violently shake me yelling "why are you people coming here.". LOL
Bayside is expensive. Perhaps Asians pay a premium on real estate because Asians are safer and will not harm children. IMHO, based on life experiences, white pedophiles are EVERYWHERE and western societies suffers greatly from crimes against children.
Wouldn't YOU feel safer too raising your child in a Asian community protected from white pedophiles and pedophile serial killers? Even our wealthiest Americans hire foreigners from Tibet as nannies, much safer than accidentally hiring guys like Jon Mark Carr.
Look. Most Americans would rather be a friend than an enemy. Most suburban Americans like to say hi. The problem in bayside is not skin color or religion it's the destruction of nice historic houses and turning them into dormitories. All races in America should just say hello or at least nod to one another, keep your music turned down and be courteous when parking in front of another person's house. THAT'S really all it takes. CAN'T do anything about racists, bullies or psychos...that's life on earth everywhere.Just a thought...THIS must be almost how the Iroquois felt when the colonists chopped down their forests and replaced it with gabled roofs.
Now those are being chopped down. Whatever. ..
I think all non Asian residents who own houses and coop/condos in Bayside should really retract all the negative comments about Asians. Yes, some might be true about the "dormitory style" housing or churches buying houses, etc. However please remember WHY the value of your houses have increased substantially. The Asians are paying premiums for properties in Bayside because they feel its a great neighborhood with great school district. Without these Asians, your house value right now would be SHIT. School district is great BECAUSE of the Asians and the values they bring to the schools. People can joke all they want about Asians are nerds or geeks, but without them District 26 would just be a mediocre school district. I guarantee you that 30-40yrs ago district 26 schools were not in the top 100 list. Asians work hard for their money. So what they collect the cans at night. Perhaps maybe you should help them set it up in the front of your house for easy access so they won't go into your backyard. Whether its legal or illegal, Asians bring money into the community, and raises value of homes. Be thankful that your shitty condition house is now worth over $800k. Asians tear these houses down because you guys can even keep your houses in good condition. Trust me, ask any non Asian Realtor who's houses are cleaner and more better conditions for re-sale.
Bayside is notoriously over priced and a simple detached and square box house that has no garage, tiny rooms and is nothing to look at can cost upwards of $ 950,000. The exact same house on Staten Island's South Shore can cost about $ 450,000. and the neighborhood is just as nice, if not nicer ! When all these Asians started to move in the area, developers tore down older wooden-frame homes and replaced them with rows of ugly hi-rise brick condos. The Chinese are filthy, let's face it ! They throw their garbage out in paper bags, not tied in plastic ones or properly placed in containers either. They have rags tied in knots on the windows and bars on the windows and those hideous and industrial looking chrome security doors on all the houses they own. They do not maintain their lawns and the neighborhood has slowly gone to Hell ! The Koreans are cleaner and take better care, but are very clannish and do not make the older white residents in Bayside feel like they are still living in America ! All the stores cater to their needs and everything is written in Korean....Yulk ! When Bayside was primarily an all white enclave in Northern Queens in the 70's and 80's, it was a far better and more desirable area, for sure !
here since 1958 .not only is the white apparent is exodus.we now have 4 cars in one family 4 families in it. cars parked on lawns .trees cutting down.beautiful colonials destroyed turned into 2 family disgusting Mc MANSIONS ,and MAUSOLEUMS. everyone knew each other .the bars and dining was every where .most close for i font know kind of stores because i cant read them. as for driving its worth your life here. stops signs are optional .lights sometimes not just go through.if i had a go pro just left on the dash to see how people drive here i could make a fortune on you tube. Bayside is now in many areas a shit hole .others are holding on. its not about race .its about the type of people who compared to people Who come in. lawns aren't kept .laundry laying over porch railings.BAYSIDE no longer is BAYSIDE .white flighters are selling 500.000 house for 900.000 dollars can you blame them .move to Florida buy 4 houses for that money and better weather ,people walk buy you heads down no eye contact .say what you want .im all for diversity .take overs is something else .the schools are a myth .schools suck now . i just read MARIE CURIE 55 is passing .that's a hell of a school.this BAYSIDER is heading south soon.
For the past five years, a team of Chinese immigrants have been over developing the site once occupied by the Bayside YMCA on 35th Avenue. It’s a never ending construction job over there. That YMCA was small and this thing the Asians have put up there is a huge 3 story building that will house at least 30 families. They also stole land from the backyards of the neighboring homes, which I’m sure was illegal. I was told that the developers told four neighoring residents that they were over the property lines and they were not. This was illegal and these developers totally got away with it. There is a clear intention by these folks to drive out white European residents.
Asians trespassing into my yard for bottles, ripping open garbage bags and causing people to get fines. No respect and no class bums. They want every parking spot illegally paving lawns for drive ways. Bayside is desirable until it isn't. Get it?
Send me all back to ASIA!!! Also they are expanding PS41 in Bayside and disturbing the peace of the community. They are expanding the school so there can be more seats for Asians. This is an INVASIAN!
MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!!!!!
I don't mind other Ethnic groups moving into my neighborhood. I live in Queens, so I'm used to it. Most Koreans take pride in their homes and gardens.
It's usually the new money immigrants such as Russians who put up those McMansions and cut down the trees and put up metal fences -- the Greeks & Italians did so too in Astoria. What I do mind, though, is storefront signs that are written only in Korean all along Northern Blvd, some on Bell Blvd. There's one in Fresh Meadows by Kohl's. I have no idea what the business is ( unless it's a grocery store.) That's telling me that I'm not welcome there - Koreans only.
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