From the Gotham Gazette:Despite fierce opposition from the city’s unions and a majority of the City Council, New Yorkers favor bringing the world’s largest retailer to the five boroughs.
According to a new poll from Quinnipiac University, 57 percent of New York City voters say officials should allow Wal-Mart to open up in the the city, while 36 percent say the retailer should be kept out. If Wal-Mart set up shop in the Big Apple, 68 percent of New York City voters would shop there if it was convenient.
Mickey Carroll, director of the Quinnipiac University Polling Institute, said in a statement: “Voters agree that Walmart can be tough on its employees and on its mom-and-pop competitors, but even voters in union households say 63 – 34 percent they’ll shop there anyway.”
Gotham Gazette also found there wasn't much difference between Walmart and the other big box stores that we already have in NYC.
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If those Toby Stab-isky & Co. didn't oppose Walmart...Flushing could have had one at the closed Caldor's site instead of Sam Chang's Oriental mall!
It would have served THE WHOLE community instead of the closed insular walled-in colony.
"It would have served THE WHOLE community instead of the closed insular walled-in colony."
Walmart serves walmart and no one else.
I could post pages here about their illegal practices from predatory pricing to their mistreatment of workers, but no one would read it all queens sheeple see is saving a couple of pennies, not the loss of community and the jobs and heritage of neighborhoods
"Walmart serves walmart and no one else."
That's the way the free enterprise system works. But if they did not off what people wanted at a price people were satisfied with they would fail. For walmart to serve walmart they first have to serve us.
"The competitors do lower wages in order to compete when Wal-Mart comes in," said Ken Jacobs, the chair of UC Berkeley's Labor Center.
And not even ONCE do these ivory tower academics (from Berzerkely no less) mention the words "illegal immigrants" and the impact that they have on wages. You think that would enter their analysis, but for some reason it doesn't. Very strange......
Why is it that those who are most opposed to Wal-Mart, usually are the biggest supporters of illegal immigrants?
Just sayin'........
Look folks, when a Target, Costco, Home Depot, etc opens, the people rejoice and the pols have a ribbon cutting to get their mugs in the papers. You allowed them in, you have to allow Walmart in. If you don't like the way they do business, don't shop there. "even voters in union households say 63 – 34 percent they’ll shop there anyway"
Oh well, you're all a bunch of moronic hypocrites.
Walmart? I thought you said Ballmart. That's very different. Never mind.
I would say that any store wishing to open for business in NYC we should welcome with open arms. Since when are POls checking each and every retailer prior to opening in the city?
And checking or objecting to what? Does Walmart sell Porn, allow bottomless pole dancing, hold communist meetings or sponsor hate groups?
You cannot discriminate among businesses as the Dept Of State will not allow it.
Those who shop in Wallmart are trash.
I went to one when I was out of state because there wasn't anywhere else to shop because all the small shops were gone.
It was a very depressing atmosphere.
I don't want on in NYC area , but I hope those who want get it.
You get what you deserve.
Trash.
Don't ever confuse union members (good people) with union leaders (coercive racketeering thugs).
have you seen this website: http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/
can't wait for more quality shopping and educated, high class residents. it's all we need.
You think residents are attracted by Walmart?
Have you taken a look at what dwells amongst us now?
And I see those same people in Target on 20th Ave.
I shop from walmart online.
I shop from walmart online.
'Cause you're too ugly to leave your home?
I see those same people on the NYC subway. That's why I drive a car for the luxury of privateness.
Long Live the Internal Combustion Engine!
Down with Public Transportation!!
Walmart's business was/is ruthless. When Walmart first began operations, they targeted low income communities in the southern states and the mid west. They didn't even bother with KMart and Target. The other discount retailers were targeting thriving middle income neighborhoods. Now that Walmart has expanded its operations, it is targeting every mkt segment and competing directly with Target and others in the same industry. Now Walmart has its eyes on the Big Apple. They are trying to form a monopoly; there's no denying it. Oppose it!
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Those who shop in Wallmart are trash.
That is probably the most ignorant post I've ever seen here.
Unless they need a zoning change, a variance or something special from the council, they are coming as-of-right, which is what they have announced they would do, so there's nothing to oppose. And since every other entity that asks for the above gets it, and in light of this poll info, the council would be hard pressed to explain why they shouldn't bend over backwards to accommodate them.
Target supports many art exhibits in New York, like MOMA free Friday nights. They also give 1% percent of your Target card purchases directly to the school of your choice. They may not be perfect but they are a better fit for New York. Does Walmart do anything other than make Sam Walton's heirs richer?
Actually, yeah.
In the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina in September 2005, Walmart was able to use its logistical efficiency in organizing a rapid response to the disaster, donating $20 million in cash, 1,500 truckloads of free merchandise, food for 100,000 meals, as well as the promise of a job for every one of its displaced workers.
In October 2005, Wal-Mart announced it would implement several environmental measures to increase energy efficiency. The primary goals included spending $500 million a year to increase fuel efficiency in Wal-Mart’s truck fleet by 25% over three years and double it within ten, reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 20% in seven years, reduce energy use at stores by 30%, and cut solid waste from U.S. stores and Sam’s Clubs by 25% in three years. CEO Lee Scott said that Wal-Mart's goal was to be a "good steward for the environment" and ultimately use only renewable energy sources and produce zero waste. The company also designed three new experimental stores in McKinney, Texas, Aurora, Colorado, and Las Vegas, Nevada with wind turbines, photovoltaic solar panels, biofuel-capable boilers, water-cooled refrigerators, and xeriscape gardens. Despite much criticism of its environmental record, Wal-Mart took a few steps in what is viewed as a positive direction, which included becoming the biggest seller of organic milk and the biggest buyer of organic cotton in the world, as well as reducing packaging and energy costs. Wal-Mart also spent nearly a year working with outside consultants to discover the company's total environmental impact and find where they could improve. They discovered, for example, that by eliminating excess packaging on their toy line Kid Connection, they could not only save $2.4 million a year in shipping costs but also 3,800 trees and a million barrels of oil.
"They discovered, for example, that by eliminating excess packaging on their toy line Kid Connection, they could not only save $2.4 million a year in shipping costs but also 3,800 trees and a million barrels of oil."
That's a coincidental benefit to their attempt at cost savings. Would they SPEND $2.4 million to save those trees and oil? I doubt it.
Would Target? Best Buy? Costco?
Crappy, there's a big difference between UNION MEMBERS and UNION HOUSEHOLDS. when they claim that union households said they would shop at Wal-Mart, that doesn't mean they were polling an actual union member, just someone who lives in the same household as a union member.
Check out the documentary "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price" to see some of the ways in which Wal-Mart has damaged America.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3836296181471292925#
It is also available on Netflix Instant.
Not sure I understand your point. Are you saying that the family of a union member would not feel it's important to support the union member? And if the person who does the shopping is doing something to undermine the union member's message, and it appears from this poll that is happening a lot, then what does that say?
That the unions are full of hypocritical bullshit artists.
If not even the families of union members are buying their B.S. then why should anyone else?
"Would Target? Best Buy? Costco?"
No, the point is they are doing something to benefit their bottom line, and trying to make the resulting benefit look like an altruistic contribution to the environment.
For example, if they stop giving plastic bags to their customers to save millions of dollars a year and then claim they are doing it to help the environment it is disingenuous.
And you think Target isn't writing off its "charitable contributions"?
Why ignore what Walmart did after Hurricane Katrina?
"Not sure I understand your point."
My point is your post is titled "Walmart: Even union members would shop there" and union members and union households are two different things. And people do have different ways of thinking within the same household.
If the union member is bringing home the money and his wife is spending it in Walmart, then he is in effect shopping there.
Crappy, if you haven't seen the documentary yet, I hope you watch it. It doesn't have to change your position any, but there is no harm in getting more information. There's always something new to learn.
BTW, there is a similarity to the way people undercut our jobs in this country to get the cheapest price, and the way people undercut our neighborhoods to make the most money possible by overdeveloping real estate. It is a short sighted mentality that hurts all of us in the long run.
"Check out the documentary "Wal-Mart: The High Cost of Low Price" to see some of the ways in which Wal-Mart has damaged America."
you're trying to educate some of the stupidest people in Queens - they'll only resent it.
"If the union member is bringing home the money and his wife is spending it in Walmart, then he is in effect shopping there."
Yes, because this is the 1950's and households are always husband, wife, and 2 kids.
Many households are much larger than the nuclear family now. Elderly parents, adult children, in-laws, etc. are often members of a family household nowadays.
I understand Walmart's history.
What I don't understand is why no one stood up to the other companies that do much the same thing. Maybe there was faint opposition but now everyone shops at Target, Home Depot, etc and every time one opens in a community, if someone objects, they are automatically called NIMBY. Well, if we are going to allow these big box stores to come in, then by law, we are going to have to allow Walmart to do the same.
"I understand Walmart's history."
I don't doubt that, but have you seen the documentary?
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Down with Public Transportation!!
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LOL...Brian Mc Laughlin (and his goons) opposed Walmart then he stole money from his own union members!
I hope that former head of the Central Labor Council crook is enjoying his time in jail.
Too bad it isn't in general pop.
At least when Walmart sells the goods they import from China there's a degree of quailty control.
When Sam Chang's Floo-shing mall sells Chinese goods a consumer never knows if they might be shoddily made or dangerous to your health.
Put a Walmart in Flushing!
"Yes, because this is the 1950's and households are always husband, wife, and 2 kids.
Many households are much larger than the nuclear family now. Elderly parents, adult children, in-laws, etc. are often members of a family household nowadays."
wrong - the 1950s not only INCLUDED extended members of the immediate family, but the average household had MORE than 2 kids.
true dat.
The other poster must have thought that the parents of the WWII generation just rode off into the sunset.
"The other poster must have thought that the parents of the WWII generation just rode off into the sunset."
No, silly, they walked off into the sunset- uphill, both ways.
I would like the choice to shop where I want and I would like to pay taxes that remain in my city and not have to travel outside NYC to save money.
"there wasn't much difference between Walmart and the other big box stores that we already have in NYC."
Reducto ab absurdam: there isn't much difference between one burglary or another, so one more won't hurt(????!!!!)
Let them open. Let them spend LOTS of $ to open. Then let's do a bit of civic direct action - and shut them down.
Workers should not get screwed - but it really is free enterprise capitalism at work, and the only way to have a say is to stand together.
"Let them open. Let them spend LOTS of $ to open. Then let's do a bit of civic direct action - and shut them down.
Workers should not get screwed - but it really is free enterprise capitalism at work, and the only way to have a say is to stand together."
Excellent.
Costco
K-Mart
Sears
Target
BJ's
What difference does one more discount retailer make at this point?
Close your eyes and play make believe: imagine Alexanders and E J Korvetts back into existence.
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