Tuesday, September 7, 2010
69th Street is gay hooker heaven!
"There is a bar on 69th Street between 38th and Roosevelt Avenues (eastside of street) called LUCHOS. This is a disgusting hole and a flourishing source of prostitution on the weekends mainly. After midnight on Friday and Saturday, the surrounding streets are swarming with ugly, cheap whores (mostly men in cheap wigs). They are turning tricks in our yards and driveways. I bet a lot of you have wondered where all those used condoms are coming from. Well, now you know. The cops are counting on most of us to be asleep and not notice. The community board (bored) claims not to know a thing about it. So what else is new? What do they do anyway? The most infested areas are 38th Ave., 65th St., 64th St. and along Roosevelt Ave. Woodside's got enough problems without this horror."
Saturday:
"I am quite sure this revolting problem has been existing longer than I know. I stood in front of my house for 5 hours (2am to 7am) last night and the only squad car that drove by was the one I requested from 911. They checked an alley that I told them about and came up empty-handed. They said they would come back shortly; they NEVER came back. But here's the TOPPER: after the cops left the alley and drove away, 4 to 6 hookers and johns emerged from said alley! The cops did NOT search thoroughly and were outwitted again. This caliber of "serve and protect" sucks. What a horrible joke. In the meantime, my property value has decreased $200,000 due to this activity. Who would want to live here? Even I don't."
Sunday:
"Last night, we took steps to lock this alley (it had gates pushed back out of sight). My neighbors are basically good people but most are too old, too frightened and too foreign (by this I mean they can not speak English). Again, last night, I had to call 911 because a very large male approached me and attempted to mace me. When the squad car arrived, they would not exit the car and when I said I could probably identify him and I saw where he went (toward Luchos), they told me they were not going to follow up on this and when I ASKED they gave me an incident report. I've seen tougher librarians. You know, at first I was enraged at the hookers but now it's the cops who are really to blame for this.
Even though this activity does not really begin until after 1 am, they drive by my driveway at 8:30 pm or 11 pm and flash a light towards it and spend all of ten seconds or less. I can not put into e-mail how I feel about them. From 11:30 pm to 4 am, one squad car drove by; my 911 car arrived at 4:30 am. The former car drove by at a speed that wouldn't facilitate an arrest or surveillance. We have been abandoned. Oh, by the way, the aforementioned alley is city property according to some longtime residents. I guess the city is in the hooker business.
Barrage the 108 precinct with phone calls at (718)784-5411 and demand this diseased dump be shut and plowed under!" - anonymous
Now, now, this place sounds like a regular family establishment based on this review.
It was even featured in NY Magazine!
I can just see the 2 local council members, Jimmy Van Bramer and Danny Dromm (of the progressive caucus), leading a protest to close this place down, can't you?
VIBRANT! DIVERSE!
149 comments:
umm...if I stand out in front of my building for 5 hours beginning at 2 AM on a Saturday, I would see a lot of crazy disgusting things also. That is when the crazies come out. This is New York, ask your Dr. for some sleeping pills.
And during the day isn't this where the day laborers hang out? I live closer to Queens Blvd then to Roosevelt Ave, but at least there are cheap motels around.
Used to be that the bad parts of Roosevelt Ave were from 79th St on up.
Thanks for the heads up,i need a new place to hang.If you call the pct,you will get a disinterested rookie,a cluledd civilian or an empyt suit afraid of the street.in other words,you're wasting your time.You must WRITE a letter to
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The police comm,the mayor,local councilperson,assmbly,state senator, community board precict comm.officer,vice enforcement divof occb and the borough pres.The squeaky wheel gets the grease........
What was there before it became a club?
Pile drivers use to be there. Filled we yummy cabanna boys..."Oh Raul!"
This was once the Blue Oyster bar.
funny Officer Mahoney -
if it always had been a bar / disco / social club whatever as opposed to a deli let's say - then you cannot get yourself all riled up about what's going on there since the only change would be sexual preference.
Time to move dude.
Um, may I ask what the fuck you people are talking about? There have not always been hookers having sex in people's alleys at this location, and not all social clubs have this activity going on.
You folks need to get a grip on reality. You're starting to scare me.
Time to move dude.
sure thats the point, you dont like the political agenda of the clubhouse (gay and immigrant are two winners in their warped world) you should move.
like the stink in astoria. dont like it, its your problem and you should go.
bullshit.
Oh, and P.S. to clueless Babs: Watch the movie Police Academy and you'll understand the joke.
The cops are counting on most of us to be asleep and not notice.
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The cops didn't create this problem, you can thank the politicians who were lenient on this garbage for the last few decades. They tied the cops hands and shrank the cops' numbers, and now the two cars that patrol the 108 have to choose between doing something about this nonsense or handling higher priority calls. When the Queens North precincts had more personnel, there were nightly pros/john sweeps, and there was a club enforcement that was living hell on club owners. Now, our local precincts are lucky if they can fill a few patrol cars.
This place is nothing more than a glory hole in the wall!
the cops and pols fear being labeled homophobes for combating this problem.
QC, it's called "defining deviancy down". The NYPD officers refusing to respond to a citizen's complaint wouldn't tolerate this crap in Pearl River, Bayshore, or Hackensack, or whereever they live, but because of Queen's diversity, they can't lift a finger to resist the gay hookers of 69th Street.
You guys expect the 108 to do something? These are the same wonderful cops that reversed into my car, knocked my bumper off then wrote me a fake accident report. Good luck trying to get them to do their jobs.
"Oh, and P.S. to clueless Babs: Watch the movie Police Academy and you'll understand the joke. "
P.S. right back at ya' Crappy - you are misunderstanding me again I think -
"Funny" - meaning - "funny". I didn't see Police Academy and hopefully never will - BUT I assumed from the comment that it was something like that so I GOOGLED it to see what it was all about. So my comment was NOT at all sarcastic.
Again - WHAT WAS THERE BEFORE?!!!!
Might I ask why you give a shit what was there before?
The problem is happening NOW. This place has its own liquor license and is putting it in jeopardy by attracting this behavior.
Yeah I don't understand the obsession with what was there before, either. It's not like this place just opened up, it's been there for years.
P.S. right back at ya' Crappy - you are misunderstanding me again I think -
"Funny" - meaning - "funny". I didn't see Police Academy and hopefully never will - BUT I assumed from the comment that it was something like that so I GOOGLED it to see what it was all about. So my comment was NOT at all sarcastic.
Oh, Babs! You ARE clueless. As usual. Silly ol' gal.
Where's Lino to defend these people again? He must be on a trip to Thailand to visit his much more cultured and educated ladyboys. Maybe he'll bring back a few to give some new pizzaz to Luchos.
As I stated before, if there had been deli (for instance) there before you MAY be able to generate community activism.
A poster states above that this was going on for years - so why is it just an issue NOW?
Who is the owner - it is the OWNER of the club who is promoting prostitution by ALLOWING it. Perhaps the owner owns other clubs - "titty bars" etc. Prostitution goes hand in hand also with hard drugs AND that's where organized crime comes in - soooooo, take the matter up with the owner.
Maybe it's innocent - a bunch of gay prostitutes stormed into the club one night and took it over and the owner doesn't know about
it - right Officer Mahoney - could be. . . .
"Oh, Babs! You ARE clueless. As usual. Silly ol' gal."
you are a real "kook" - ooops my age is showing . . .
Um, no, I didn't say this had been going on for years. I said the bar has been there for years.
Learn to read. It will help you in the long run.
I can just see the 2 local council members, Jimmy Van Bramer and Danny Dromm (of the progressive caucus), leading a protest to close this place down, can't you?
HAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Dromm isn't going to lock up his consitutents!!!
I'm sure he knows MANY of the participants personally!!!
You folks need to get a grip on reality. You're starting to scare me.
Couldn't agree more!!
Liberal types always says: "It's no big deal....", especially people such as Bubs who like to flaunt how socially progressive and tolerant they are.
But if this shit was happening next to their home, it's suddenly a different story.
Reading Is Fundamental.
"As I stated before, if there had been deli (for instance) there before you MAY be able to generate community activism."
Are you kidding me? Generate community activism from WHO?
The gays that live in the neighborhood? Don't think they'll picket they're own.
The trannys that crawl out of the woodwork after dark? Don't think they'll picket they're own.
Gay Hispanics? Don't think they'll picket they're own.
Straight Hispanic men? They don't care.
Elected Local Officials? They don't want to upset the apple cart. They don't want no trouble with LGBT organizations.
So go and try to protest this gay establishment. I'll give you 10 to 1 odds that you'll be called a Redneck, Racist, Hater, Homophob, Republican, Tea Bagger, ect. None of those labels are probably true but it will be said to try to discredit and shut you down.
I will listen in on my scanner at home to the 108th precinct channel on the weekends after 1:00am for a couple of hours.
Maybe this guy should move to somewhere like Pearl River.
He states that none of his neighbors care enough to join him in fighting, maybe that's why the NYPD doesn't care either, because most of the community that lives there now is tolerant of this.
This is a community that chose two militant hard left gays to represent them in the city council in contested democratic elections.
If this is what the people want, let them have it.
Nutcase - THIS is what you said:
"It's not like this place just opened up, it's been there for years."
The word "ITS" is not a synonym for the word "bar". Reread YOUR post.
If the cops are NOT doing anything about prostitution in the club (and whatever else is also going on) - PERHAPS they are paid to look the other way by someone.
How come you didn't think of it nutjob? You are so blinded by hatred for everyone that you fail to consider the most LIKELY scenerio?
"It's is not a synonym for bar."
Neither is it a synonym for prostitution in residential alleys.
"How come you didn't think of it nutjob?"
Oh boy, Babs is talking to herself again.
The most likely scenario is that Dromm and VanBramer told the CO of the 108 to look the other way.
Notice how these complaints didn't start until they were in office.
There iss really just one person claiming there is prostitution there, it sounds more likely that they are really just bar patrons hooking up for quickie sex after closing.
The dogs bark but the caravan moves on.
"There iss really just one person claiming there is prostitution there..."
I guess you failed to read the review I posted.
I thought Luchow's closed years ago.
IF there is prostitution and/or drugs then you have to organize and picket the club.
Remember what the people did in Forest Hills when the "titty bar" / bikini car wash moved into their nab? THAT'S what you have to do.
BUT you have to be certain that there is illegal activity - not just a quick trick here and there - that happens on Bell Blvd. even - so be sure - that's all I have to say.
What the hell ever happened to law enforcement?
a few doors down towards Broadway is a beauty parlor owned by a Phillapino drag queen/low life ho who employs other famous in the gay world drag queens to cut hair & do nails.
next to that is a travel/tax/air cargo - what else I don't know business. one of those store fronts with desks, telephones & hostile foreigners. If you speak to them, they will claim they've been discriminated against & apply for a government grant and special visa for life.
this is happening all over the city, the so called Quality of Life allowed to deteriorate to drive you out of your quiet white enclave. That way the INVASION will be complete. You white people will pay more money to live elsewhere and the illegal immigrants can turn your neighborhood into a 3rd world play land where the police get their commission from the prostitution, trannies, minors and the drug dealing/loan sharking that is part of "the life".
Well okay even in black neighborhoods this is happening, the police are told to dummy down crimes to make the mayor & the Police brass look like they actually do some work other than pose for photographs.
I would ONLY call 911 after I contacted other agencies, which you can do on the internet, such as the State Liquor Authority and inform them what is going on, include the underage drinking, gambling, prostitution, etc. Don't they need a liquor license to operate? you can get that revoked. yes you can. fyi, in order to have live shows, I am pretty sure they need a CABARET LICENSE, which I am betting they don't have.
again, this can be done anonymously if you wish.
I would then call 311 making complaints to DCA, consumer affairs and make complaints about those who are openly urinating and defecating on the sidewalk and on your property.
In two weeks, I would call 311 and make AGENCY complaints, you must keep a log of this activity and the complaint numbers. I would then pass it on to both the community board & the City Council Members. You will see results.
Back it up with 911 calls when needed, which you can do anonymously. and make noise complaints about the bar's noise on the weekend. be sure to make complaints about the trash in front of the bar to the Dept of Sanitation.
Funny this place is across from the huge church w/ the parking lot, want to bet they are using the parking lot to turn tricks in?
If you all go do your homework maybe Crappy will post good news here about this place.
Part Two:
I would ONLY call 911 after I contacted other agencies, which you can do on the internet, such as the State Liquor Authority and inform them what is going on, include the underage drinking, gambling, prostitution, etc. Don't they need a liquor license to operate? you can get that revoked. yes you can. fyi, in order to have live shows, I am pretty sure they need a CABARET LICENSE, which I am betting they don't have.
again, this can be done anonymously if you wish.
I would then call 311 making complaints to DCA, consumer affairs and make complaints about those who are openly urinating and defecating on the sidewalk and on your property.
In two weeks, I would call 311 and make AGENCY complaints, you must keep a log of this activity and the complaint numbers. I would then pass it on to both the community board & the City Council Members. You will see results.
Back it up with 911 calls when needed, which you can do anonymously. and make noise complaints about the bar's noise on the weekend. be sure to make complaints about the trash in front of the bar to the Dept of Sanitation.
Funny this place is across from the huge church w/ the parking lot, want to bet they are using the parking lot to turn tricks in?
If you all go do your homework maybe Crappy will post good news here about this place.
"streets are swarming with ugly, cheap whores (mostly men in cheap wigs). They are turning tricks in our yards and driveways"
What shocking imagery.
I have to admit I feel tempted to go and drive by on Friday night, just to see for myself.
Do what senor Fred Phelps did in Topeka Kansas. He video taped F@gs having sex in the park (cage park) and eventually it will ward off the f@gs. But NY f@gs are pretty tough so you might want to watch yourself.
Well I posted a preview on Facebook and someone told me they saw them in said location Friday night.
Auntie Invasion,
You seem to be suggesting people submit false sensational reports in order to close the bar and that is wrong.
Nobody has said anything about any underage drinking, or gambling, or trash problems out front.
If your goal is to preserve your white enclave and drive others away, you should say so out loud and not make up lies.
"You seem to be suggesting people submit false sensational reports in order to close the bar and that is wrong."
Who said that? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to complain about this establishment. And who said this was a "white enclave"? Hasn't been for about 30 years.
Seem to have touched a nerve! GOOD.
"Nobody has said anything about any underage drinking, or gambling, or trash problems out front."
no, just prostitution and illegal drugs. that's all...
"Who said that? There are plenty of legitimate reasons to complain about this establishment. And who said this was a "white enclave"? Hasn't been for about 30 years."
The post quoted was a response to the (very long winded) post of "Auntie Invasion" who suggested making anonymous complaints to various agencies regarding matters that were never even mentioned by anyone else, gambling etc. apparently in hopes of restoring a "quiet white enclave"
But it's not a white enclave. So you have nothing to worry about.
I appreciate the fact that someone articulated there grievances and QC posted the article. What I'm surprised by are some of the responses. How did this turn into an ethnic issue? Prostitution is simply old and illegal and not something most of us want in our neighborhoods. When I moved to Queens as a kid in the early 80's from Manhattan, we unfortunately wound up in a neighborhood that had a drug trafficking issue. My parents did not cut and run. They simply got involved in the community affairs and eventually the drug problems went away and folks started taking more pride in there neighborhood. An important note is that it was an ethnically diverse neighborhood and most of drug buyers were white. I'm not saying this to be a racist, but simply calling it as I see it in response to some of the xenophobic statements being made by others. But my real point is, people really need to pull together and get rid of this notion of acceptance of poor quality of life. What’s going on with law enforcement (or lack of) reminds me so much of what went on roughly 30 years ago in NYC which sparked citizens to take the quality of life in there own hands (ie Guardian Angles and comparable). What this person is doing is very brave and they've got a bit of fight on there hands. In the end, I hope they don't loose faith. As I've heard from someone before, "Why move to a better place, when you can make your place better".
EXACTLY. It drives me nuts when assholes write, "If you don't like it, move."
That's a large part of what caused the problems in the first place.
It's just a hunch - but I don't think you'll make the Village Voice Top 10 Blogs List again this year . . . just sayin'.
yeah, I'm sure your house has gone down in value 200k because of this nightclub... probably has nothing to do with the housing crisis or the economy...
Leave it to taco boy to focus on some irrelevant detail in the post instead of the major problems expressed.
Look we've known for ages that the powers that be would like to turn western Queens into the world's biggest slum. This is just a small part of that effort. It will be allowed to flourish because it drives out actual taxpayers who ask for too many services in exchange for their tax money and brings in the tweeded riff raff.
Crappy - the video posted appears to be nothing but evidence of a gay club - there is no evidence of prostitution or any other illegal activity.
Did I miss something here? Was there evidence of the exchange of money?
I sympathize with anyone who lives near a club - look at the Boardy Barn in the Hamptons for crying out loud.
Look up the property info - is it zoned for a nightclub, etc.? If it is - you up sh*t's creek without a paddle.
The video shows the closing of the club, when the fine patrons swarm outside and into people's driveways.
Read the review I posted. It was written well before this complaint was sent into me this weekend. It mentions prostitution and drugs. And not for nothing, the 2 tend to go hand in hand. Personally, if these people want to fuck each other's brains out for money inside the club, I doubt anyone would care. But they are TRESPASSING on others' private property to have their rendezvous and that is what the complaint is about. Why it's so hard for you morons to get that through your thick skulls is a pretty big reason why this borough is in the shitty shape it's in.
There is no such thing as "as-of-right" prostitution unless you are a politician. Then it's expected.
If it is true that hoards of tranny hookers are turning tricks in his driveway and yard every weekend then the guy is right that his property value would be hit hard. That would be on top of what he's lost due to the lousy economy. Who wouldn't be furious?
The big problem here is the police. They have a hands-off policy when it comes to immigrants because we live in a Sanctuary City. It's not their fault. They are just following orders. Sorry to all you residents who have to put up with this, but we need to be vibrant and diverse. All you can do is vote out all the politicians who turn a blind eye to this. Remember in November and when Bloomberg runs for his next term as mayor, make sure you vote him out.
It's just a hunch - but I don't think you'll make the Village Voice Top 10 Blogs List again this year . . . just sayin'.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!
Blabs being unintentionally funny again!!!
Since when is the Village Voice the arbiter of all things good?
I don't think Blabs will make the list of Time magazine's top one billion citizen's of planet earth ranked by IQ!
Yeah I wake up every day worried what the Voice thinks of what I've posted and hoping I make their cut...
The police also have a hand off policy when it comes to homo bars ever since Stonewall.
Hmmm.... write a letter to all the papers about this after you call Dromm and Van Bramer and the will do nothing.
Go after them, not on the gay issue (but make certain that that dimension is spelled out) and demand that they do something.
They, of course, will do nothing.
Send Crappy your letter as well as their 'stonewall.'
heh heh heh
"If it is true that hoards of tranny hookers are turning tricks in his driveway and yard every weekend then the guy is right that his property value would be hit hard. That would be on top of what he's lost due to the lousy economy. Who wouldn't be furious?"
But "IF" is the word here.
I wouldn't want the Jersey Shore kids screwing in my driveway either - you are living near a CLUB!
Complain - protest the club's presence - but, you have no proof of money transactions being made - not from this video anyway.
What's the difference between a "homo" bar or the old Plato's Retreat or places like that?
Your saying (I think anyway) that the club is in a residential area. IF there were a bar there for years - as you have stated - then it is not so residential is it?
Ok Babs, I'll type this real slow so you can understand me.
The video is not meant to show prostitution or drug dealing. It just shows the club we are talking about. So no, we aren't going to the NYPD with this video and asking them to do something. The homeowner is willing to press charges of trespassing. And if the NYPD actually does a sting inside the club, they will collect the evidence they need for the rest. The key is getting them there. And if a testimonial about what goes on inside that place is posted online for the world to read, and a homeowner has complained repeatedly and has incident reports to back him/her up, then I don't see how "you live near a club - expect it" enters into the equation.
There are a lot of clubs out there, and they don't generate these types of complaints.
excuse me - "you're saying". . .
Crappy, you have to take that review with a grain of salt. It sounds exaggerated and overly dramatic. Example: "you're more likely to get stabbed than to have a good time at this genetic landfill."
I doubt the reviewer witnessed any prostitution or drugs, it sounds more like his perception of the crowd. The reviewer's tagline under his picture is "Elitism is a good thing." This obviously wasn't his crowd, I wouldn't take his review so literally.
I don't doubt that there is public sex going on around this place, but is it prostitution? Gay bars are where people go to hook up. Who pays for sex when there's plenty of people willing to give it up for free?
At best the police could possibly charge people with public lewdness, not really a major offense.
If there is prostitution taking place, the police would have a hard time charging it without setting up a solicitation sting.
To the homeowner, how about installing outdoor floodlights with motion sensors in your driveway and yard, and maybe try to get other concerned neighbors to do the same. Some fake (or real) surveillance cameras would probably help deter activity as well.
"And if a testimonial about what goes on inside that place is posted online for the world to read"
sounds more like hearsay than a testimonial
Crappy - the only thing the homeowner can do - is ENCLOSE his property - inclusive of the driveway AND call the police if they see people screwing on the property.
IF they are screwing in a car on the street, there is NOTHING you can do about it. By the time the cops come by - the show's over. IF it's videotaped - a ticket for indecent exposure - that's IT - case closed.
People have been having sex outside inside whatever AND especially nears CLUBS forever.
Look if you can't beat them - join them as the saying goes.
Actually, it seems they offer both, based on the review:
"a prostitute, or a freebie from a trannie"
If you guys think prosties don't hang out in bars, you really are naive.
"To the homeowner, how about installing outdoor floodlights with motion sensors in your driveway and yard, and maybe try to get other concerned neighbors to do the same. Some fake (or real) surveillance cameras would probably help deter activity as well."
EXCELLENT advice. There is nothing else that can be done.
"Crappy - the only thing the homeowner can do - is..."
RAISE HELL.
SEND THEIR COMPLAINT INTO A BLOG THAT WILL CAUSE A REACTION.
FORCE THOSE ACCOUNTABLE TO DO SOMETHING.
WRITE LETTERS TO THE PAPERS.
CALL THE NEWS STATIONS.
NOT BE LIKE BABS.
"If you guys think prosties don't hang out in bars, you really are naive."
I don't think anyone here doubts that - what the poster is pointing out is that you DON'T know the details of their tryst.
Last time I checked, sex in a private alley was illegal whether it was for free or paid.
"CALL THE NEWS STATIONS.
NOT BE LIKE BABS."
By all means - please make a complete azz of yourself - I'd love it actually.
Yes - I can see it now (pretend):
FOX NEWS at 5:00 pm - "There is a code orange high-alert terrorist warning in place for New York City tonight due to . . . .oh wait . . . this just in . . . . two people were spotted having sex near a club in Queens."
If the problem is people having sex in public, does it make any difference whether it is for money or free? Unless you witnessed the negotiation you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between people having sex for money or people just having sex.
"Last time I checked, sex in a private alley was illegal whether it was for free or paid."
Fine - sit there and wait for them to return - then film it. And pray you don't get hit over the head with your camera.
Good luck.
Wow Babs shows she's not much of a community activist. News stations love lewd stories. Let them stake the place out and film the debauchery. If they're really on the ball (no pun intended), they'll go undercover inside the place. Many times the media does the work of the cops, which helps them later on. Also, if you have a protest, the media will show up. If you complain publicly at CB meetings the papers will cover what you say. They will call the police and the local pols, who will be forced to take action.
Amazing how lazy some people think.
"If the problem is people having sex in public, does it make any difference whether it is for money or free? Unless you witnessed the negotiation you wouldn't be able to tell the difference between people having sex for money or people just having sex."
oh look - someone smart and rational has joined us.
That's funny, you disagreed with me when I said that, but agree with this fellow/lady, who said the same thing. Time to take your meds, Babs.
"If they're really on the ball (no pun intended), they'll go undercover inside the place. "
They're probably patrons already.
People of the media are party animals.
"That's funny, you disagreed with me when I said that, but agree with this fellow/lady, who said the same thing."
oh really? did I? Proof please.
People, this has been the case forever, formerly known as Homo alley, queer alley, and now casa de los patos. Mostly it went on on 77 street but it always went all the way down to 69th street. This is the area where the guy was murdered by a group of idiot wannabe skinheads several years ago.
Why do I think there are two "Babs'" posting here? Or else Babs really is the 'tard she appears to be.
Why do I think that there is only ONE idiot posting as many here - it couldn't be that there are THAT many brain-damaged souls posting in here at once . . . hmmmmm.
I's still waiting for the "proof" BTW.
WHY IS THE BAR LUCHO'S BEING TARGETED? PLEASE BE AWARE, THAT EVEN THE MANAGMENT OF LUCHO'S HAS SPOKEN TO THE POLICE ABOUT THE PROBLEMS ON THE BLOCK, WITH THE PROSTITUTES. I HAVE BEEN THERE ON MORE THEN ONE OCCASSION WHEN THEY TRIED TO CHASE THESE PEOPLE FROM IN FRONT OF THE BAR. THEY HAVE HAD THREATS AGAINST THEM, AND THEIR PERSONAL PROPERTY(CARS MOSTLY TO BE KEYED OR MIRRORS BROKEN). THE PROBLEM WITH THESE "WORKING GIRLS", IS, THEY WERE PUSHED OFF THE STREET ON 37th ROAD BETWEEN 75th ST - 77th STS. AND WORKED THEIR WAY DOWN. FOR A WHILE THEY STOOD IN FRONT OF ZODIACS TAVERN (SINCE CLOSED BY THE OWNERS) TO SELL THEMSELVES. THE OWNERS AND MANAGMENT TRIED TO FORCE THEM OFF THE BLOCK AND IT WAS IMPOSSIBLE. YOU MUST UNDERSTAND THE MENTALITY OF THESE STREET WORKERS. THEY DON'T CARE ABOUT WHAT THEY MAKE THE NEIGHBORHOOD LOOK LIKE. THEY DON'T CARE HOW MANY BUSINESSES THEY BRING PROBLEMS TO. THEY DON'T CARE HOW MANY PEOPLE'S LIVES ARE AFFECTED BY THEM. THEY KNOW THAT IF THEY GET ARRESTED, THEY WILL BE RELEASED VERY QUICKLY, AND BACK OUT ON THE STREETS AGAIN. THEY HANG OUT NEAR THE GAY CLUBS AND BARS, BECUASE THEY FEEL A LITTLE SAFER THERE. SEVERAL OVER THE YEARS HAVE BEEN BEATEN UP VERY BADLY, AND SEVERAL HAVE ALSO BEEN KILLED. NOW I KNOW YOU DON'T CARE ABOUT THAT, AND MAY EVEN FEEL AS IF THEY DESERVE IT. LET ME JUST SAY THIS, NOBODY DESERVES TO BE BEATEN OR KILLED BECAUSE OF THEIR SEXUAL ORIENTATION. I AGREE TAT SOMETHING MUST BE DONE TO CLEAN UP THE STREETS, BUT TO BLAME THE CLUBS AND BARS FOR THIS, IS TOTALY OFF BASE. THE CLUBS AND BARS DON'T WANT THEM TO HANG OUT NEAR THEM ETHER. IT KEEPS SPENDING PATRONS AWAY, AND CAUSES PROBLEMS AND ACCUSATIONS SUCH AS THESE.
LUCHO'S HAS EVEN TRIED TO FIX THE FRONT OF THE PLACE UP, BY PUTTING UP A BRAND NEW AWNNING, SOME COLORFUL LIGHTING OUTSIDE, EVEN A COUPLE OF PLANTS IN SOME NICE URNS, AND EVEN FAUX STUCCO FACING ON THE PLACE, COSTING THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS TO KEEP THE NEIGHBORHOOD NEAT AND CLEAN LOOKING. THE RESULT. INSIDE OF ONE MONTH, THE FACING NEAR THE DOOR HAS BEEN DAMAGED BEYOND REPAIR, AND THE 2 PLANTS (PINE TREES) WERE SET ON FIRE AND HAD TO BE REMOVED. WHAT ARE THE OWNERS AND MANAGEMENT TO DO? THE PLACE HAS BEEN THERE FOR ALMOST 15 YEARS, AND IT IS ONLY RECENTLY THAT THESE PROBLEMS HAVE DEVELOPED. THEY PAY THEIR TAXES, EMPLOY PEOPLE, AND ARE INVOLVED IN THE COMMUNITY. I ASK AGAIN, WHAT MORE CAN THE OWNERS AND MANAGMENT DO? PLEASE PUT THE BLAME, WHERE THE BLAME PROPERLY BELONGS, THAT IS ON THE INDIVIDUALS, WHO CARE LESS ABOUT THE NEIGHBORHOOD, BUSINESSES, AND THE HOME OWNERS IN THE AREA. THANK YOU FOR TAKING THE TIME TO READ THIS.
They should definitely put surveillance cameras in all around the place - for about $2,000 you can get an excellent system which can be used against vandals in court.
And who will be the named defendants babs? Without proper police involvement video evidence is fairly useless. The main complaint here seems to be the lack of police initiative. Video evidence won't change that. They will be lucky if the police take a report.
and $2000 is a lot of money in a working class neighborhood.
PLEEEEEESE take ESL classes - please.
I am talking about VANDALISM as it so states in my post - the poster complained that someone set fire to the pine trees in front of the establishment.
You do NOT need for someone to ALSO bear witness to obvious destruction - come on WAKE UP - the friggin' day is almost over already.
AND $2,000 for a CLUB is NOT a lot of money - working class nab or not. It CAN be done - AND when you are a bar or club owner many of your patrons / friends / family can and WILL do the job for next to nothing AND get a discount - that is UNDERSTOOD BTW in middle class nabs.
First, you pick on immigrants. Now, you pick on gays. The readers of this blog are racists and haters. If you have real proof of prostitution, why don't you show it? Nah. Instead, you favor and savor innuendo, cheap jokes, generalizations and stereotypes. You show you high class ways, why don't you just rename this blog Queens Tea Party Crapper?
"PLEEEEEESE take ESL classes - please."
It would be reading comprehension class, not ESL class.
YOu were not clear babs. I mistook 'they' for the original complainant, not realizing you were referencing the club owners as 'they'. Perhaps if you were specific in who you were referring to, I wouldn't have to take an ESL class followed by a reading comprehension class.
"You do NOT need for someone to ALSO bear witness to obvious destruction "
No, but if you have a video of an unknown person, its not a whole lot of help. The police can take a report. I doubt there will be much investigation after that.
If I lived there and my alley was being used for lewd acts, I would install motion sensor flood lights.
I would also go to the cops and at least make a complaint.
For fire? you're saying that the cops do not concern themselves about arson and other forms of major property destruction and potential loss of life - no, sorrrryyy - you're wrong.
"First, you pick on immigrants. Now, you pick on gays. The readers of this blog are racists and haters. If you have real proof of prostitution, why don't you show it?"
I didn't pick on gays. I picked on prostitutes. Maybe they are one in the same in your mind and you are the hater. In fact, someone who I assume is a patron of the club commented that there are hookers in front of the place all the time being chased away.
So am I to take it that you think sex in someone's alley is acceptable? Or are you just a troll?
"If I lived there and my alley was being used for lewd acts, I would install motion sensor flood lights.
I would also go to the cops and at least make a complaint."
And if you read the post again, you will see that this is what he or she did. Specifically mentioned here: "when I ASKED they gave me an incident report"
anyone gotta match????
"anyone gotta match????"
yeah - your brain and a fruit fly's.
Dude, learn to use the shift key.
If the management of Lucho's can't or won't do anything about the nuisance and crime their customers have brought to Woodside, then the place needs to be closed. Find a way to respect your neighbors or go away.
The gays are taking over! The foreign gays with repellent brown skin are invading!! They are wearing wigs and make-up and are forcing children to have sex in alleys! I seen it and it is disgusting! Why won't the police help me!! We need more police to protect us from the gay foreign menace!! The police don't care because I'm white and straight and the victim of these monsters!
Babs, Ever since you take nighttime meds, you act perfectly sane and rational. Am you Bizarro's mommy?
AND $2,000 for a CLUB is NOT a lot of money - working class nab or not. It CAN be done - AND when you are a bar or club owner many of your patrons / friends / family can and WILL do the job for next to nothing AND get a discount - that is UNDERSTOOD BTW in middle class nabs.
Really Babs? Do you own a club to know whether this is a lot of money or not? Times are tough, rents are high, and you're still an idiot.
I say we load up the trannie bang bus and head on over to Babs house. Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.
Shut the place down. Sure the police there really care. They should go after the female hookers in Bed Stuy the married men visit too.
Dont stereotype this disgusting place with the gay community there conservatives. Then again most gay republicans are closeted, condemn and generalize others, while they seek out quietly little sad escapades like this place.
"Dont stereotype this disgusting place with the gay community there conservatives. Then again most gay republicans are closeted, condemn and generalize others, while they seek out quietly little sad escapades like this place."
Great post! (applause) . . . . .
They should shut down every bar that lets Latinos be gay. There should only be bars for straight white people in Jackson Heights, that way we can help attract only white neighbors, which is what we all really and secretly want. Can we next pick on other minorities, who are gay ?
Fruit Fly - If the clubowner can't afford $2,000 for surveillance cameras (which can be claimed as a business expense BTW at tax time) - it's time to pack it in anyway!
"Can we next pick on other minorities, who are gay ?"
how 'bout Republicans?
So you morons really think that if it were white gay hookers having sex in people's backyards that there would be no outrage? Why must you make this into something it's not?
The trannies with the brown skin have been coming here for 15 years. The problems just started recently, so you really have no clue what you are talking about when you go off on your racism tangents.
P.S. this isn't Jackson Heights either. So you REALLY are clueless.
It's so predictable that the homos would try to pull the gay/Hispanic card. The fact of the matter is that most of the homeowners in that area are Hispanic, many of them gay, and I am sure they all would object to random sex happening on their property. You sickos don't have a leg to stand on.
Homos make me sick. I can't believe they pull the gay card just because I'm calling them on their grotesque existence. Who do they think they are, walking around in my neighborhood that was once Christian and pure. They need to all be put in jail, which is why I stand around my house at 2am like border patrol, maniacally dialing 911 to protect myself from these inverts of anti-nature.
"I'll give you 10 to 1 odds that you'll be called a Redneck, Racist, Hater, Homophob, Republican, Tea Bagger, ect. None of those labels are probably true but it will be said to try to discredit and shut you down."
That was easy money after seeing some post defending the actions of these people.
Homos make you sick? You are mad because a troll like yourself was turned away at the door of that gay bar. You should be arrested for being ugly.
The community should definitely get together to fight prostitution and lewd acts in their community.
Hey what do you expect?
This area has a long sexual history.
It started out with "vaseline alley" where gays went to get their rocks off after visiting the old bars like "Betsy Ross" or the "Magic Touch" (notorious for running Latino underage hustlers)?
I say, let's landmark the area!
Bangkok has its sex junkets so why not encourage sex trade tourism in Queens...eh Terri Osborne?
Maybe Dromm himself did some "low flying" here.
I'm beginning to think that Babs is a blog spot whore who gets off posting.
How many times did ya come lady?
Maybe she's really a guy.
A total dope whichever sex!
LOL...maybe Babs is a masochist who loves being dumped on...which is quite easy to do because she keeps on coming back for more.
Let's hear it for "Blabs" persistent dedication to being made a fool of!
Not only are the trannie latin gays having sex and flinging used condoms all over my property, but they also have fangs and are rummaging through the bushes at night eating rodents and small housepets! For some reason, their depravity knows no bounds! A neighbor lost her small spaniel/poodle mix when she saw a particularly garish trannie in a completely tacky orange wig made out of colored aluminum, like christmas tree tinsel (and you noticed I said CHRISTmas and not X-mas, since I'm not trying to take the Christ out of Christmas like all these trannie illegal immigrants)... anyway, where was I. Oh, yes, the trannie jumped out and ATE her spaniel/poodle dog! It was disgusting! I would keep all pets and small children locked inside the house from now on because these types have taken away our freedom and are roaming all over the neighborhood. I can't wait for decent people to get back in government so we can do something about so many undesirables taking away everything from us. In the meantime, keep calling the police!!
Making fun of the situation does nothing to advance your cause or acceptance of your lifestyle. We'll see who has the last laugh.
Does Luchow's do take-out? I'd like a big tasty knockwurst right about now.
My suggestion is to make complaints to THE STATE LIQUOR AUTHORITY and various NYC agencies, via 311. and to keep a log.
Allow the professionals who are paid with your tax dollars to do their jobs. Let them determine what is going on.
No one mentioned two things:
that area is known as
Little Manilla
because of the Phillapino business's and restaurants.
I would bet the majority of the ho's/drag queens are illegal Phillapinos.
what about the Christian mega church across the street? how come they don't get involved or are they all illegal immigrants too?
yes, Boss Tweed's grandchildren are hoping you Crappy pack up and move and more apathetic and scared citizens can take your place so they can make money off the illegal and criminal activity.
want to bet somewhere close by are houses of trafficked underage male and female prostitutes?
Probably the spot all those middle class white men from the Burbs love to go:( To get their DL on :( Pathetic and foul must be a GLORY HOLE FOR AIDS!!!!! By the way DL is DOWN LOW!!!!!
"Babs is a masochist who loves being dumped on"
We've gone from trannie hookers to how Babs loves to get Cleveland steamers. LMAO
Wow...a serious matter of lewd conduct affecting a neighborhood. Not very good news but the community should fight back....if they are really serious!
But some off-the-wall funny comments here...trannies eating rodents and pets!? Trannies in cheap wigs? Illegal immigrant trannies? LOL. Sounds like the Jerry Springer show.
Luchos is where Jerry Springer gets some of his guests.
It appears that a lot of people are posting in here - but, when you read the comments, they all sound like they came from the same person - AND they're all dumb quite frankly - except for Babs' comments.
Well, well, well.
Just received an e-mail from the original complainant.
"there should be no blame put on the club for catering to a gay patronage; this is not a problem about gay people. it is a hooker problem, male, female or somewhere in between. as a person who has resided in the west village for 40 years, gay clubs do not offend or bother me. it only makes me more aware that they can be run in a proper way that does not hurt the surrounding neighborhood, again, this is NOT a problem with gay people or their hang-outs."
Ha, ha! I bet you idiots blaming Archie and Edith for being "bigots" will have a lot to say now. You actually are the ones ruining gay nightlife by equating outrage over these crimes to gay bashing or homophobia.
You lose.
Not all hookers are bad people. I wonder if all this hoopla is really about people moralizing and wagging their bigot finger at hookers. Are we complaining about where hookers work, or how hookers have to make a living: the job description, the responsibilities, the multi-tasking and the attention to detail required? Are we uncomfortable with what hookers have to do in dark alleys, or the fact that they do the same things in the privacy of bedrooms, too? Why are we scapgoating Luchos? What about Craigs List? Isn't CL responsible for all the hooking going on in America? And lastly, you can't tell me that this blog post had any merit at all because the bottom line is that it was really all about an opportunity to make a hate-speech gay joke about Councilmember Danny Dromm hooking in a dark ally. All these posters say that gays are defending hookers, I say how can you defend somebody making hate-speech against Dromm?
Good one!
THATS NOT REAL!!! LUCHOS PLACE IS A NICE BAR WHEN THE PEOPLE GO TO HAVE A GOOD TIME. LUCHO'S BEEN THERE FOR 16 YEARS AND EVERYBODY KNOWS LUCHOS. SOME PEOPLE DONT LIKE LUCHOS BECAUSE ITS A LATIN PLACE BUT THAT NOT MEANS LUCHOS IS A PROSTITUTION PLACE OR SOMETHING LIKE THAT. THE ONLY THING IM GONNA SAY TO ALL THAT PEOPLE WHO DONT KNOW LUCHOS PLACE IS GO THERE AND I KNOW U GUYS GONNA HAVE A GOOD TIME. LUCHOS IS A FAMILY!
Being gay is not a "lifestyle". Only NYPost readers would call being gay a "lifestyle" anymore, excepting for of course Anita Bryant, which proves my point. NYPost readers didn't get their reputation for nothing, you know? "Yes, this gay lifestyle goes with my green polka dot kimono," that's how your little one-inch minds work.
No, but dressing up like women and going to clubs is a lifestyle.
Interesting how self-important gay activist wannabes are avoiding the topic of the post and instead resorting to the same tired knee-jerk "bigot" charges.
Don't expect others to take you seriously when you don't take their legitimate concerns seriously.
I'm beginning to think Luchow's really went down the hole ever since Hans and Franz sold da jernt.
This area has been like this since the 70's. If you JUST realized this NOW, you are truly naive. The only difference these days is the flood of crack in this area in the past 10 years. At least the in the old days, they wouldn't bother anyone, but now, it is crack city. Different scenario altogether.
The 70's are back with a vengeance.
I guess it's true that construction is slowing down, what else can the day laborers do for money.. it's a shame anyone has to live next to this crap and the fucking city should do something to clean it up or is it that the cops are getting paid off?? someone please tell me how the police could looked in the alley, see nothing, but after they leave the shit comes out. NYC sucks! and the people running it sucks more!
On behalf of some of the critics of this post, I will be the first to say that hooking is a problem. But the whole way that this blog highlights Lucho's over all of the other problems of Queens really smaks of gay-bashing. Seriously how can any body take this seriously? Where is the exposé on straight white hookers? Why are you only focusing on gay Latino hookers? Is it because you just want to go on demonizing Latinos, as an extension of your ongoing xenophobic campaign against all immigrants? Seriously how can any body take you seriously??
"Is it because you just want to go on demonizing Latinos, as an extension of your ongoing xenophobic campaign against all immigrants?"
We all are immigrants in some way to our fine country the USA. What most people have a problem with is ILLEGAL immigrants.
"Where is the exposé on straight white hookers? Why are you only focusing on gay Latino hookers?"
Does it matter if they are straight, gay, white, black, red, green, ect? No, what matters is there are hookers using some taxpayers property as their own personal sex playhouse. I'm sure if there was another spot with white straight hookers doing the same thing and the owner wrote in to QC...that the Crapper would post about it.
"But the whole way that this blog highlights Lucho's over all of the other problems of Queens really smaks of gay-bashing."
If the perps have been observered hanging around Lucho's....then it doesn't take a brain surgeon to figure out the establishment is part of the problem. You can throw labels at people all you want but this has nothing to do with gay bashing and EVERYTHING to do with hookers turning tricks on other peoples private property.
The person who wrote to me did so about this particular establishment and activity in her yard so I have no need to investigate other sources of prostitution and include them in this post. I have written about the hookers in LIC before as well and no one seemed to get upset. When someone writes to me, I try to help them. In fact, earlier this year, I helped a gay Hispanic fellow who was falsely accused of prostitution and threatened with deportation because of it. His partner did not want the details plastered on the blog, but I privately offered him advice and a direction to go in.
You have no clue whatsoever what I am about; you are making baseless assumptions and jumping to conclusions. Kind of like what real homophobes do to you.
The bottom line is that this shit should not be tolerated no matter who is doing it and the race card should not be pulled out and dusted off because you have "Bunkerphobia".
There, a new phrase I've coined!
I guess "Babs" finally learned her lesson and isn't coming back for more
(or she's too busy playing with her rosebud).
Why do I think there are two "Babs'" posting here? Or else Babs really is the 'tard she appears to be.
I say we load up the trannie bang bus and head on over to Babs house. Don't be a fool, wrap your tool.
ROFLMAO
"I guess "Babs" finally learned her lesson and isn't coming back for more."
Fruit Fly - please don't think I enjoy beating you at EVERY SINGLE FRIGGIN' argument on this board - because I truly do not.
You are obviously damaged goods - perhaps a bullet in the head once or you nibbled on paint chips as a child - something is obviously "off".
In any respect - I feel bad making you appear stupid repeatedly, and therefore, refuse to play your little game.
Actually, your arguments would have to make sense in order for you to make anyone look foolish. Instead you do it to yourself.
what a friggin' LAME comeback that was.
ALSO - I don't appreciate the pervy comments that you have thrown my way now and in the past.
I guess in ADDITION to being a racist and a cretin you are a sexist too. AND I'm being nice - you really are gross. Have issues with your mother maybe?
Actually, that was my first comment. I just read through all the back and forth and felt the need to tell you that you ain't all that in the brains dept.
hey babs if I remember correctly you called a certain group of people "spics" on another post here. I don't who the hell you are calling racist. You need to check yourself before you call other people out for being racist.
Oh by the way those other posts are still funny!!!!! roflmao
Babs, sweetie, there is more than one person here pointing out how retarded you are.
Me thinks Babs is smart as me.Must have something to do where choo-choo goes.
Don't call the pct CALL 911 each and every time you see someone in the ally we had the same problem with hookers in elmhurst and we drove them off the streets at least yes there still in the hotels but there not doing there thing in the ally's or yards anymore
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