From the Daily News:"The use of eminent domain is like a gun to the community’s head which basically says, 'If you don’t give it up we’re going to take it,'" [State Senator Bill] Perkins said outside City Hall this afternoon.
"And as a result, those who do not have the wherewithal of a Nick Sprayregen or a lawyer like Norm Siegel begin to negotiate under the threat of begin robbed or mugged through the process of eminent domain."
"So what happens to those people who lost their property to Columbia under those circumstances?"
"Nick Sprayregen at the moment is OK. The Singh family that owned the small garage, gas station, is OK, but those who buckled under because of the threat of eminent domain? How do they get made whole? How do they get justice in the process in which they were essentially threatened with the gun of eminent domain?"
So how about some legislation, then? You'd think this would be one issue where both sides would agree.
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ED is the most pernicious form of government theft. Taxes, fees, penalties, tariffs etc. can be offensive, but this is the worst encroachment of government on our liberties.
Historically it is justifiable - if used solely for a public benefit - a a hospital, a road, etc or if an area has decayed and suffered from urban blight. This is public theft for a PRIVATE benefit, Columbia U. Its been legitimized by the liberals on the Supreme Court.
Real estate developers are droolin. They, pay off pols, have them seize the land through ED, and they have a nice lil nest investment to make them millions. To hell with the peeps kicked out of their houses, the tenants, etc. They'll get FMV, invented by government appraisers. LOL.
I will come clean and say that I have been on the 'bad guy' side of this. I am not proud of it. It was theft. Fight this BS.
It wasnt invented by liberals on the supreme court. Its been used both by both sides and much more on the right.
Such as the border fence brought forth by Bush\Cheney that didnt need to cut into peoples land in Texas stealing their property. But the fence ended at their friend billionaire oil man Ray L. Hunts property.
"...used ...much more on the right ..." Erratum. Proponents of the corporate state are fascists, members of the left.
Under the Constitution we have the right to protect our selfs and bear arms, no? Meaning EM has no place in Government, we the people put people in Gov to protect us against EM, no?
Landmarking is ED-lite. But unlike ED, you get no compensation when the State tells you what you need to do with your own property.
Erratum. Hitler and Mussolini would have been greatly amused to hear themselves described as leftists, George.
And, oh, by the way: according to Webster's Ninth Collegiate Disctionary, an Agnostic is someone who "holds the view that any ultimate reality is (as God) is unknown and pobably unknowable.
Your definitions, as with the rest of your thinking, are all messed up.
Didn't the City Council vote on this issue already?
I've been at a City Hall press conference when Nellie Hester Bailey, Harlem Tenants Council went toe to toe with City Council members about the Columbia take over of Harlem.
I'm glad that some people are fighting back. it looks the same old divide and conquer tactics to me.
Gary, I'll try to be kind.
Hitler's party was the National-Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini was a Socialist newspaper editor and a great admirer of Plato's Republic - a monument to collectivism.
Reality unknown? You've answered your own question.
"Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely that negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason."
- Galt's Speech, Atlas Shrugged
Gary, I know you're searching for meaning in your life. Check out: www.aynrand.org.
georgetheatheist said...
Gary, I'll try to be kind.
Hitler's party was the National-Socialist German Workers Party. Mussolini was a Socialist newspaper editor and a great admirer of Plato's Republic - a monument to collectivism.
Reality unknown? You've answered your own question.
"Reality is that which exists; the unreal does not exist; the unreal is merely that negation of existence which is the content of a human consciousness when it attempts to abandon reason."
- Galt's Speech, Atlas Shrugged
Gary, I know you're searching for meaning in your life. Check out: www.aynrand.org.
Monday, December 07, 2009
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No matter how much you want to deny it, George, they were creatures of the Right Wing, as was their ally Francisco Franco, and you know it. Their admirers in America were of the political right, not of the left. People of the left who opposed them here were called "Premature Anti-Fascists", especially those who went to Spain to fight against them.
Isn't is funny how so many right-wing types all came up with the "Leftists are fascists" crap at the same time? Such "independent" thinking.
And by the way, George. Just to remind you. My alias is a satire. You thought is was transparent the last time that I pointed this out. Maybe your vision has become more opaque with time.
I'll tell you what's funny --- All these leftists falling in love with the private property rights of the the small businesses and small landlords threatened by ED.
Hey lefties -- whatever happened to "property is theft" and the "bourgeois are the enemy of the people"?
Patrick Sweeney said...
I'll tell you what's funny --- All these leftists falling in love with the private property rights of the the small businesses and small landlords threatened by ED.
Hey lefties -- whatever happened to "property is theft" and the "bourgeois are the enemy of the people"?
Monday, December 07, 2009
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We grew up and bought co-ops
George said...
Proponents of the corporate state are fascists, members of the left.
Nope.
You might want to look up Mussolini there George the origins of the corporate state, censorship of opponents, violent military dictatorship, and anti left. Also you might want to do a little home work cause Alessandra Mussolini the granddaughter and others are keeping the rightwing original corporate fascist party alive along with Berlusconi.
The NFP hate the left in Italy.
The right goes after the left with their Berlusconi monopolized media.
"Their admirers [of the fascists] were of the political Right.
Really, Gary the "Agnostic" - self-proclaimed philosophical ignoramus?. You really should stop. You're just embarassing yourself.
John Dewey espoused fascist tendencies. So also, H.G.Wells and George Bernard Shaw in England. W.E.B.DuBois was so inspired by Hitler that he put swastikas on the cover of his magazine. Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. FDR's New Deal was replete with fascist policies.
Gary, we don't want you to get hurt here in the deep water. Why don't you play over there in the kiddie pool?
Oh and just a little reminder George when people on the left protested the G8 summit in Genoa the Italian Paramilitary Carabinieri violently beat up protesters and made them acknowledge Mussolini. Maybe you dont read newspapers from across the pond ever?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3455213/Italian-police-officers-convicted
So what? Fascists beat up Commies. Commies beat up Fascists. It's a civil war among the Reds.
This "liberals are fascists" BS comes from the Jonah Goldberg yawner, "Liberal Fascism." I did love the citations of H.G. Wells and G.B. Shaw, tho'--but what of Hearst and Lindbergh, right-wing Nazi-lovers on American soil? The citing of the anti-fascists who fought in the Spanish Civil War and were roundly vilified for it is correct; it was the right-wing "America First" types who wanted nothing to do with taking on Hitler, and who conveniently overlook that fact that it was the stinking Commies whose defeat of Hitler's "Operation Barbarossa" won WWII, not the johnny-come-lately Yanks.
Yes exactly rexlic. Its funny how right wing "logic" picks and chooses what its wants. Henry Ford and Standard oil financed hitler and those folks were no fair labor rights leaders.
Eminent Domain has been used for the last thirty plus years by many right leaning colleges and chemical companies that hate regulation.
This blog fails to bridge a gap between people with its divisive childishness from many fox and friends types.
How about this: When a well off corporation wants to get cheap land, they go to their municipality and ask them to invoke eminent domain for them. This seems to be a bipartisan effort.
georgetheatheist said...
"Their admirers [of the fascists] were of the political Right.
Really, Gary the "Agnostic" - self-proclaimed philosophical ignoramus?. You really should stop. You're just embarassing yourself.
John Dewey espoused fascist tendencies. So also, H.G.Wells and George Bernard Shaw in England. W.E.B.DuBois was so inspired by Hitler that he put swastikas on the cover of his magazine. Irving Berlin praised Mussolini in song. FDR's New Deal was replete with fascist policies.
Gary, we don't want you to get hurt here in the deep water. Why don't you play over there in the kiddie pool
Monday, December 07, 2009
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Because you drank up all the water, as well as the Kool-Aid, already, George.
If Andrea Mussolini is keeping the original corporate fascist party alive in Italy, she's anti-laissez-faire. Ergo she's a leftist. So then is Berlosconi.
Queens Crapper said...
How about this: When a well off corporation wants to get cheap land, they go to their municipality and ask them to invoke eminent domain for them. This seems to be a bipartisan effort.
Monday, December 07, 2009
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No argument there, Crapper.
Rexlic. America supplied Stalin's hordes via the port of Murmansk. Operation Barbarossa was in the European Theater of WWII. Haven't you ever heard of Iwo Jima? In the Pacific Theater? The patriotic America First movement dissipated with entry of the US into the global conflagration after Pearl Harbor.
So the good people of America First, who would never have taken up arms against Hitler until Pearl Harbor forced their hand, were "patriotic"? Laughter truly is the best medicine. And I concentrated on the ETO since we were discussing fascists, which the Japanese were not. Of course, the right has tried to rewrite history yet again there, outraged over Obama's overseas bow to the emperor, overlooking the fact that Nixon--himself a WWII Navy veteran--bowed to Hirohito.
If Andrea Mussolini is keeping the original corporate fascist party alive in Italy, she's anti-laissez-faire. Ergo she's a leftist. So then is Berlosconi.
Monday, December 07, 2009
I dont think she is there. You might want to see her own words and party affiliation. Berlusconi is in many of the European and British papers for attacking the left constantly and his media monopoly similar to Murdoch's. Try and at least read a foreign newspaper with A. Mussolini saying her right party stance and hate of the left.
Too much gossip headlines in America these days.
Nixon is ancient history.
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