Tuesday, June 23, 2009

Civic: McMansions no longer a bad thing

Hey, that's the House on Steroids! This is the tiny house to which an "addition" that was 3 times the size of the original house was constructed and then the original house was replaced completely. In fact I remember a number of residents bringing this place up at civic and community board meetings and it being used as an example for why downzoning efforts needed to be ramped up... Pretty strange that it is now being positively featured in a community magazine that used to denounce McMansions and overdevelopment. This one actually makes Anthony Como's Big Mac look like a kiddie-sized Happy Meal. And it's ugly to boot.
Note the photo on the bottom. Do you guys know who Henry Fabian is? Well click here to get an idea of the type of crap this guy builds in his own neighborhood. In fact, he tore down the Morrell House (built ca. 1719) in 1986 and 2 other farmhouses in 1996 and replaced them with Queens Crap. This would have been a good opportunity to point out what he builds and contrast it to what he lives in instead of writing that the people who construct oversized castles "have a deep sense of community and care very much about the well-being of Middle Village." Will be scratching my head for a long time over this one.

116 comments:

Anonymous said...

Ugh...when the civics bail out on your neighborhood, then what's left?

Anonymous said...

Isnt this run by the same guy that took St Saviours from the community (read Newtown Historical Society) and took the credit?

Anonymous said...

Take the credit for what?

You know what dry rot and termites can do?

Anonymous said...

Lot$ o buck$ that perhaps could have been spent to preserve that building in situ.

Anonymous said...

Correction:

This is the guy that stuck the Newtown Historical Society with the bill, then made sure they received no credit for helping save the church. Of course, being that the NHS is an organization dedicated to preserving history, I doubt they would want to be associated with a relocated money pit reconstructed in another town, especially when the aforementioned guy at one point stated that the land, not yet developed, actually held more historic value than the church.

Anonymous said...

This is also the guy that waged a campaign against Arby's for tearing down Niederstein's, then went to them begging for money for his baseball team.

Anonymous said...

ALSO THE ONE WHO EXCORIATED LIZ CROWLEY, THEN LOVED HER, NOW HATES HER AGAIN.

Anonymous said...

Same guy who told the people he would fight to get them a park at the St. Savior site, then took the church from Maspeth and tried to send a high school he didn't want near his house down there instead. A double crosser. And his buddy Nunzi is no better. Shame on both of them.

Anonymous said...

This article truly is laughable I actually thought it was a joke when I read it.

Danny said...

That's one of the ugliest houses I have ever seen! And I live in Queens so you know I have seen a lot of ugly ones!

Anonymous said...

WHa? what about the rezoning? won't it stop this shit?

Anonymous said...

I'll let the Buks in Forest Hills north know that Midville welcomes their brand of greed. They'll be over to colonize your area soon.

Anonymous said...

I have to admit... this was the last thing I thought I'd see in the Juniper Berry.

Anonymous said...

And they wonder why Middle Village is going down the tubes.

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know if his guy's scheming about St. Saviour's has anything to do with why Christina Wilkinson is no longer involved with the Juniper Civic? For all the time and effort she put into that group, you would think they would have announced something about her leaving if it had been on good terms.

Anonymous said...

What EXACTLY is the stance of Bob Holden and HIS "Juniper Berry" magazine? First, Bloomberg was Man of the Year. And then suddenly, he was vilified in Holden's publication. The same holds true for Holden's coverage of the McMansions. "Mayor" Holden (or so he thinks) should get a firm grip on the issues that concern our community instead of flip-flopping through the neighborhood's issues.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Fabian and the others contributed money to some Holden cause. The guy seems to be easily bought and a hypocrite.

Perhaps Wilkinson learned a lesson - if you lay down with dogs you will get bit sooner or later.

Anonymous said...

That's sad. Seems like the 'bite' that JC used to have for fighting anyone who crapped on on the neighborhood is weakening. Maybe they're trying to drum up ad revenue or donations in these tought times or make some friends in high places. Very dissapointing.

Anonymous said...

McMansion residents are also members of the community. They also pay their taxes. They are your neighbors, too. That's why Juniper Berry featured them.

Anonymous said...

So are Dennis Gallagher and Anthony Como. I look forward to the positive article about them in the next issue.

Anonymous said...

Attention all residents of Middle Village: It's now ok to overdevelop your property so long as you pay your taxes and live in the community.

Anonymous said...

One would think that if you truly "have a deep sense of community and care very much about the well-being of Middle Village" then you would build something in character with the community.

Anonymous said...

Maybe the Juniper Civic has lost most of its support because people disagree with all the fights it starts and with its arrogant, immature behavior. I think it is time for the Juniper Civic board to retire and let the community's younger generation take on leadership roles.

Anonymous said...

The Juniper Berry used to only feature people who benefited the community in some way. These folks only seem to be looking out for their own interests. Very strange article.

Anonymous said...

How about an article about how Henry Fabian almost single-handedly destroyed Middle Village?

Anonymous said...

Right on Crapper!

Anonymous said...

I was thinking the same thing as I read the article in the Juniper Berry. Why are they honoring these eyesores?

-Joe said...

Im thinking about moving back to Ridgewood or MV (N Side of Metro) next to the cematary.
I heard about this den of snakes called Juniper Civic. Im told they want to be higher rank polititions and now "play ball" and sell people up the river.

Snakes can only be expected to behave like snakes.

Anonymous said...

I have a feeling they're going to hear an earful about this at the next meeting.

Anonymous said...

All these houses look like Euro-Buk sh*t to me.

These pigs are after the new $$$ & votes landing in MV !

A spring view from space shows a good 70% of the parcels are gray with little trees.

These Juniper people must have have BEEN BAUGHT or very scaired of something!

Anonymous said...

The south side of Metro is better.

Queens Crapper said...

If you're into drug deals and section 8, maybe.

Anonymous said...

Note the photo used features pumpkins and a Christmas wreath. I bet they were going to use this photo for another article about the importance of zoning.

Anonymous said...

Italian-Victorian-Modern? That looks more like art crappo architecture. Holy cripes.

Anonymous said...

I live on the south side of Metro. I have been here over 20 years. It is quiet and my home. Don't be so mean Crappy.

Section 8 is on the north and south side of Middle Village. Ridgewood and Glendale has it too. That does not make it a bad neighborhood.

There are plenty of drug dealers living all over.

Queens Crapper said...

All I gotta say is: this.

Anonymous said...

This picture is suppose to show what? Drugs....section 8? It's a deli with people on the corner. I see the same thing on Eliot! Ever see 711?

I don't get what you're saying.

Queens Crapper said...

That's a known drug location and those are some "friendly locals."

Park across the street is filled with dealers, too.

Anonymous said...

That just great. It is a known drug location and no one is doing anything about it?

What is this????? As long as it is not in my backyard?

It won't be long before these locals become your locals.

Queens Crapper said...

I called the 104 about it and was told "Oh yeah, we know about that."

I shit you not.

Anonymous said...

Thanks....I am glad you are on it. I am going to make some calls too.

Anonymous said...

Look what they did to the old house on 78 st & Furmanville ave.......Kentucky ,here i come..............................

Anonymous said...

The did this to St Saviour and the community but the mainline preservation community is to blame.

THEY know who saved the church

THEY gave an award to someone else.

THEIR awards are worth nothing - remember the one they gave pinky.

And Cristibal, I reserver my ire for you. You have no interst for the community or its people, only some freakin building. Perhaps we can conclude that you are like your other Manhattan preservation types, that you have contempt for the people of Queens.

To go along with this is reprensible.

Take your money and go back to Manhattan.

And overturn the rich white man's landmark law.

It is biased and illegal because it discriminates.

Queens Crapper said...

More about Fabian.

Anonymous said...

"Look what they did to the old house on 78 st & Furmanville ave."

The owner will be profiled positively in the next issue of the Juniper Berry!

Anonymous said...

Where's Taxpayer on this? What's he got to say about the JPCA piece? Hmmm...

Anonymous said...

As with a few of the comments previous to mine, I scratched my head when I saw this article in the juniper berry. Not because I'm against these homes, but because JPCA is so hypocritical. The president is a sell out and is definitely looking for high end contributions to his organization.

-Joe said...

Uh Oh 79th has clearly "Changed" I better have a closer look

According to Fabian living space only exists behind plaster and Euro-fucco.
It’s a simple excuse to justify greed.

I buy one of them pre-war frame houses in a second.
I would restore it as it were in 1920 windows, potbelly stoves and all.
(It would use better insulation and heating internals)
Some of these idiots with these slap up euro-fucco castles pay $8000 a winter to heat and use more electric then a city block.
What happens when oil hits $5 a gal?
Some of these a'O builders put 2 toilet bowls in the bathroom and 2 sinks in the kitchen yet no garage or parking space.

If it were up to me I'd find the Niderstiens flagpoles back up and hang all the real estate agents and PinkydictArnolds in a pubic place.

Hawking the obituaries, year old ladies and doing backhanded deals---what disgusting people !

Bob Holden, is a hero. said...

I'm sure the JPCA only included these crap castles to gain access to them, as part of an undercover sting to get inside and report violations to the DOB, right? Please tell me its true, Bobby.

Mike D. said...

What's next for the JCPA? Ads from realtors? Endorsement of Melinda Katz?? Will Frank Lloyd Crap be named man of the year????

Anonymous said...

I love the Fabian article you posted that included quotes from Sal Crifasi. A huge backer of Ognibene-who screamed about overdevelopment, but forgot Crifasi hangs his signs on everyone of these overdevelopment projects.

Anonymous said...

Holden buried the hatchet with Crifasi too.

Joe said...

The Juniper Berry should be renamed The Dingle Berry.

-Joe

Anonymous said...

and so should you

Anonymous said...

Still no sign of Taxpayer on this topic. For a guy who always has something mean and nasty to say about anyone who doesn't think like him, he's awfully quiet about this topic.

Anonymous said...

taxpayers been gone for a while. what up

Anonymous said...

So often, residents of McMansions do not want to be interviewed. As a result, the McMansion owners appear as villains, because only one side appears in a story. In this article, we get to hear the McMansion owner's point of view.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Taxpayer is one of Holden's stooges. Are you surprised someone like Taxpayer is staying silent like a hypocrite?

Anonymous said...

So now that they've told their side of the story, the town should be ok with them building a hideous, out of character monstrosity and contributing to overdevelopment?

Anonymous said...

Come on, Taxpayer. This is right up your alley; a magazine glorifying McMansions. Surely, you hate this. Surely, you condemn any organization that would glorify McMansions. Or are you just another hypocrite?

James Maurice said...

How shameful is Crappy and all you Anonymous do nothings. You take pot shots at people who perform and you sit in the dark typing misinformation and spewing
hatred. For All you local "Historians" who have a collection of artifacts only because they were thrown away and you warehoused them, How do you slander people who actually save a church for future generations to appreciate? Then you condemn it because it couldn't be left at its original site? The reality is that a Building was saved, not just a door, by Bob Holden and the Juniper Park Civic Association, for the community to keep for now & the future. It was the work of many, including Christina Wilkinson who made this happen. NOT Bloggers who contribute zero and Pick on the hero. Unplug your keyboard and go out and see what it's like to work endless hours to preserve something for all to enjoy. Also, don't be envious of people who graciously gave money to save the church from being landfill. Try to be Constructive, not Destructive.

Anonymous said...

Funny how James Maurice chose not to answer why the JPCA is profiling selfish idiots who built McMansions in Middle Village but would rather talk about what a great job Bob Holden is doing with regards to the church project, which Crapper never attacked in this post, but James is claiming he did.

Anonymous said...

Since James Maurice is in heaven and therefore knows all that goes on and why, perhaps he can shed light on how he feels about Bob Holden and the Juniper Park Civic Association promising the people who live near the St. Saviour's site that until the land is developed, they would fight to get the place turned into a park but then once the church was removed, they allowed the original site, still undeveloped, to be used as a garbage dump for the past year and gave up the fight for the land completely. Maybe Bob should go down there and soak in the scene and ask himself how he would feel if he lived across the street from that.

Anonymous said...

Maybe ol' James can also explain how the plan changed from creating a park at the site to constructing a high school on the site and falsely asserting that the residents there would welcome that.

Anonymous said...

James, how did the Newtown Historical Society get stuck with the bill but the JPCA gets all the credit for saving the church?

Anonymous said...

What happened to the artifacts and bodies buried at the site? Are they no longer important? Wasn't Bob Holden several times quoted as saying the land was more valuable than the church? Why did he all of a sudden start using excuses such as "we need to be realistic" and "nobody likes us so where will we get funding from?" Weren't both of these the case when the entire battle started?

Anonymous said...

What happened to the civic organization that battled Goliath and won time after time? When did they become just another pathetic Queens civic group that kisses ass in order to get money from pols?

Anonymous said...

James, is it true that Bob Holden and the JPCA didn't even know the church existed until Christina brought it to their attention?

Anonymous said...

Sounds like you folks currently have a pile of damaged wood and a promise from a pol for funding. Sounds like the architect was asked to come in at less than $2M so the Borough President could be tricked into funding the entire project. Sounds like the architect couldn't promise that, so it all of a sudden became $1.9M for "phase 1" so the JPCA can have a meeting house in Middle Village and All Faiths could have a funeral chapel paid for with public money because someone is too lazy to do fundraising.

Christina Wilkinson said...

I quit the Juniper Park Civic Association because I felt it was important to continue to fight for the original site to become a park and Bob Holden did not want to do that (not the JPCA, because it was never brought to a vote, and neither was pushing for the high school to be built there).

The offer from All Faiths was appreciated when it was believed that the owner of the original property had a buyer who was going to develop the site as-of-right, but it's been more than a year and the property has not been sold, it has not been developed and the asking price decreases on a monthly basis. We didn't "settle" when many people told us we should, and I didn't see why we should settle now. I for one could never look those people in their eyes knowing I failed to keep my promise to them.

I also think the church loses a lot of its history and meaning if relocated to a town that James Maurice did not live in and on land that he did not donate. Sense of place is as important a part of preservation as who the architect is. But most of all, people are more important than buildings and if you claim to be looking out for an entire neighborhood, then you should never sell one part of it out in order to spare another.

Christina Wilkinson said...

Oh almost forgot, if I was still the editor of the Berry there is NO WAY an article about McMansions would be presented in a positive light.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Nunziato? I remember him with a bullhorn at the site. Did he pussy out on the fight, too?

Anonymous said...

Nunziato has to parrot Holden in order to not piss him off. If he pisses him off, he won't do the campaign lit for his next dead-end campaign.

Anonymous said...

Nunziato is collecting signatures for Bloomberg. Ain't that a kick in the head?

Anonymous said...

When you're an aspiring politician, you have to make deals with the devil.

Anonymous said...

Truth:

Holden made a deal with the owner of the property that he would not fight to preserve the land in return for the owner giving JPCA something he planned to throw away anyway. So that's why there are no more rallies.

Sick, isn't it?

Anonymous said...

"Nunziato is collecting signatures for Bloomberg. Ain't that a kick in the head?"

No way! I hope you're joking. I voted for Tony, and was hoping he'd run again. But I can't support anyone who cozies up to the man who's stabbed Maspeth in the back and twisted the knife repeatedly. I mean, if he wants to be loyal to the party, at least just stay silent on the mayoral race.

Anonymous said...

From NY1:

"I said look, all we want is the church, if you could just give us the church, donate the church to us, we'll get it off the property," said Robert Holden of the Juniper Park Civic Association.

Anonymous said...

"Oh almost forgot, if I was still the editor of the Berry there is NO WAY an article about McMansions would be presented in a positive light"

Christina, you will be missed at the Berry. I hope you chose to write for another magazine or start your own. You are a talented writer with great sense of decency and compassion. I can only guess that Bob had to scramble to put something together in your absence and came up with that absurd castles story. It was surprising and dissapointing to me.

Anonymous said...

All that money (including taxpayer money) was wasted to take apart that church. Most of the physical structure was NOT the original church, which was renovated after a fire 35 years ago.
The Berry has an article about restoring the church and it has a drawing showing which parts would be from the original church and which would be from the renovated parts or reconstructed. The only parts that were original was probably 5 or 10% of the whole structure. Why use that old wood to build a church, and spend MILLIONS to do so? If you really want to commemorate the history of the original church, build a new one in accordance with the same plans and features as the old one. It would be better constructed and cheaper. How can anyone try to justify using millions in taxpayer dollars to reconstruct this thing?
All this trouble from the Juniper Civic when the church could have been left as is and the property could have had houses instead of a garbage dump.

Anonymous said...

You're blaming the civic for not promoting the overdevelopment of Maspeth? Do you know what kind of houses this developer builds? Real Queens Crap!

Anonymous said...

I guess you prefer no church, wasted taxpayer dollars, and a garbage dump or factory, because that is what the civic got you.

Anonymous said...

How about a park and a rebuilt St. Saviour's made from new, less-expensive materials which can truly be used to serve the community?

Anonymous said...

You still have the opportunity to save the land for community purposes and you would prefer to have a block of section 8 houses instead? You're nuts. NEVER STOP FIGHTING FOR WHAT YOU BELIEVE IN.

Anonymous said...

The developer had no intentions of keeping the church and building around it. That is just a joke. He let it go to hell in a handbasket, left it open to the elements and to wild creatures, and the workers were even sleeping inside of it. The fact that Dennis Gallagher tried to pass that off as a compromise is truly laughable.

Anonymous said...

There wasn't a congregation to support the church when it was on the site. Who do you imagine would pay to build a new church there?

So the people living around that area are all Section 8?

I'm sure you're not enjoying the garbage dump, so remember that it didn't have to be like that.

Anonymous said...

Where's Taxpayer? He commented on a post above this one, but he still is silent on Holden's article above.

Anonymous said...

No one is suggesting it be used as a church anymore. If it was a community center then city council and state funds could be used to rebuild it. Kind of like how they pay for GRYC, the YMCA, etc. and how Helen Marshall is spending $2M to half-build the church at the new site.

The owner of the property said he would build the units and then rent them out. The people living there would not own, but rent.

Anonymous said...

How is this an appropriate location for a community center? Who would pay to run and maintain it? No taxpayer dollars should be thrown around like this.

Queens Crapper said...

What makes it not an appropriate location for a community center?

CB5 suggested it be the site of a community center. If the EDC is throwing around millions of dollars for a community center in the Bronx, then why not here?

Deputy Mayor for Economic Development Robert C. Lieber and New York Economic Development Corporation President Seth W. Pinsky (NYCEDC) today announced the grand opening of the first phase of the Mount Hope Community Center located at 55 Townsend Avenue in the Bronx. The $16 million community center was designed as a sustainable project to serve residents of the Mount Hope section of the Bronx and provide facilities for numerous community-based programs, including youth services, employment services, financial literacy, vocational training and asset building programs. Funded in part by the Bronx Initiative for Energy and Environment and the Bronx Borough President, the project incorporates green building design, enabling participants to use its facilities in an abundance of natural light surrounded by ample green spaces. With the assistance of NYCEDC, the project was one of the first to obtain New Markets Tax Credit (NMTC) assistance. About $10 million for the project was provided from city capital funds. A portion of the $10 million in city capital funds was used to leverage $4.2 million in New Markets Tax Credit financing.

Additional funding for the Mount Hope project was provided by Council Member Maria Baez, the National Development Council, Deutsche Bank, Citibank, the Independence Community Foundation, the Hagedorn Fund, the Booth Ferris Foundation, New York State Energy Research and Development Authority, and JP Morgan Chase, as well as individual donors.

Designed by Croxton Collaborative Architects, PC, the four-story Mount Hope Community Center includes a Learning Center consisting of six classrooms and two computer labs that can serve more than 750 community members a day in various educational programs. The building features two green roofs and outdoor open space for active and passive recreational activities. It was designed according to sustainable design principles to maximize natural light and incorporate low and non-toxic, recycled materials where possible. Phase II of the project will be a multi-use gymnasium.


Sounds like something that would also be welcome in Maspeth, in the location suggested by CB5 and run by a charity group. This group is 100% funded by public monies and they got to own a public piece of property to turn it into their HQ.

So I guess you don't believe in any of these other projects, either? Or do you just reserve your contempt for the people of Maspeth because your scheme didn't work?

Anonymous said...

Community centers should be placed in locations where they would have maximum effect. One important factor is residential density. Another is ease of access. Sorry, this site in Maspeth doesn't have it.

Anonymous said...

By the way, I don't have any scheme.

Put a community center on Grand Avenue and I'm all for it.

Anonymous said...

What's with the residential density B.S.? This was the site chosen by the community. I think they know best.

Queens Crapper said...

So you're against Maspeth Town Hall? That's not a particularly dense area. There are school buildings taking up a lot of space and low density housing surrounding it. It's also not on Grand Avenue.

Why fund the Ridgewood YMCA? That's on Catalpa Avenue, also not a very dense area, and there's even a railroad yard and industrial area near it just like St. Saviour's has. Yet, millions are being poured into it so a private organization can make money off it.

Amazing how convenient excuses are good in one instance but not another. Let's face it, you don't want to see success here at all.

Oh, one more thing. Why was the Middle Village-Maspeth Civic Association funded 100% by the city and state, even well after it folded?

Anonymous said...

"Oh, one more thing. Why was the Middle Village-Maspeth Civic Association funded 100% by the city and state, even well after it folded"

You've got to be kidding me. Anyone have the phone number at DOI?

Anonymous said...

Oh the excuse is used because Maspeth is not yet a tweeded neighborhood. Can only provide beneficial projects to tweeded 'hoods. You guys in Maspeth (aka Archie Bunkers) get the privilege of having a bus depot, multiple public high schools and every possible city agency taking up space in your 'hood and getting absolutely nothing in return.

Anonymous said...

And where is Taxpayer? He's still oddly silent on this article. I want to hear him call Holden a Bloomberg "lickspittle" or a "defective bacteria."

Anonymous said...

"How is this an appropriate location for a community center? Who would pay to run and maintain it? No taxpayer dollars should be thrown around like this."

If you're upset about taxpayer dollars being 'thrown around' then I suggest you stop getting upset about St.Saviours and march your ass down to the doorstop of Councilmember Eic Dilan, and Councilmember Maria Baez and Council Speaker Christine Quinn and all the others that are STILL shoveling millions to their fake charaties and relatives. Or perhaps you could demand that Mike Bloomberg repay the city money he wasted planning the (failed) west side yards, the (failed) olympic games, the (failing) atlantic yards project and the (soon to fail) willets point plan. On WP alone, he wants to throw away HUNDREDS of millions on convention center that isn't needed or wanted. I think waste like this is a better focus of our anger. Why don't you ask him to repay the taxpayers for the salaries of his deputies -city employees- who secretly worked on his (failed) presidential campaign on taxpayer dime?

St. Saviours

The Banjo Playin' Stick Figure said...

I'm thrilled 'bout them plans for St. Saviours. A fine venue for blue grass banjo pickin is long overdue in these here parts. Even if only 7 people will attend, as depicted in the sketch.

Anonymous said...

http://queenscrap.blogspot.com/2007/12/ gingerbread-house-of-middle-village.html

Queens Crapper said...
I kind of like it. Except for the brick facade in the front right section.

Friday, December 07, 2007

Hypocrite!

Queens Crapper said...

How am I a hypocrite? That house is not a McMansion. Just because Holden included it in the dumb article he wrote doesn't make the entire article and the oversized houses ok.

Anonymous said...

Blame the state, specifically Sheldon Silver, for screwing up the plans for the Olympics and a Jets Stadium. NY could have gotten a world-class convention center paid for by private interests, and instead because of Silver's ties to Cablevision and MSG we got nothing.

Crapper, please stop comparing locations right in the middle of dense residential blocks to a location where 3 of its 4 sides are warehouses and industrial buildngs.
As for City Council slush fund payouts, the inappropriate ones should stop too! It is a dumb argument to say that a wrong practice is justified here because a similar wrong practice is happening someplace else.

Taxpayer - Where are you? Where is your incoherent, rambling rant against the author of this article?

- A Bigger Taxpayer

Queens Crapper said...

A Bigger Taxpayer obviously has never been down to the St. Saviour's property. 3 of the 4 sides of it are lined with houses. The 4th side is facing Rust Street and a railyard. But don't let the truth stand in the way of your hate. And most non-profits get a lot of their funding from the government. If you don't like it, take some of your vast taxpaying dollars and lobby the City Council. The fact is that your community board identified this location as ideal for a community center. I would think they would be the best ones to decide.

Anonymous said...

I'm sure Holden and his cronies will push for that to be at the bottom of the list this year and the focus diverted to reconstructing the Maspeth church in Middle Village so JPCA can have their own meeting hall.

Mel Galante said...

Then they'd all be hypocrites, but that wouldn't surprise me. The JPCA should be asking Helen Marshall to advocate for acquisition of this site instead of holding the church hostage in Middle Village until her ice cream money comes through to half-build the church. I agree with this article, eloquently written by Christina Wilkinson, formerly of the JPCA. It's their loss, kid (and believe me, they know it). Never compromise your principles or your community (especially not for a handout from a pol).

Richie said...

Why not ask he city to sign a long lease with the owner of the original property or buy a portion of it? Chances are he won't be able to unload the entire site to one buyer anyway. He hasn't for years now. Offer $2M for the land. Since he's down to $8.5M for the entire thing, $2M would secure a decent portion of it.

Anonymous said...

$8.5M is still too much. Why not use eminent domain? It's good enough to put people out of work in Willets Point and to take people's homes from them in Brooklyn in order to make developers rich, but why not use it for its original purpose - for true PUBLIC use. Make a park here.

Anonymous said...

True. And the developers have certainly turned this into a "blighted" area! On top of that, they are using the property illegally. I'd say it's more than justifiable.

Anonymous said...

You should have seen Holden last night talking about all the great feedback he got about this article. It was side-splitting. Of course he said it at the end when people were on their way out.

Anonymous said...

Part of the problem is that Bob still thinks the owner wants $10M for the property. He stopped caring about it a year ago because he made a deal with Tommy Dafna to walk away from it if he could take the church to Middle Village. Sadly, his flowerboy stooge seems to be ok with that despite his declared love of Maspeth and what he tells people who ask about it.

Where the hell is Taxpayer? What does he think about this? No comments about the Commissar turning his back on Maspeth?

Anonymous said...

JESUS CHRIST THAT IS THE UGLIEST HOUSE I HAVE EVER SEEN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

"You should have seen Holden last night talking about all the great feedback he got about this article. It was side-splitting. Of course he said it at the end when people were on their way out"

I wouldn't know. I skipped last nights meeting after reading the Berry I probably won't go back. The McMansion owners probably gave him all the positive feedback he was referring to.

Anonymous said...

Would anyone be surprised if Bloomberg was named Man of the Year for a 3rd time?

Anonymous said...

"Would anyone be surprised if Bloomberg was named Man of the Year for a 3rd time?"

I nominate Nazli for woman of the year. Plus, she could cater the award ceremony.

Anonymous said...

Where is Taxpayer? Where is Taxpayer? Where is Taxpayer?

You hate McMansions. There is an article that glorifies some of them. Where are you, Taxpayer, on this issue? Where are you with your usual scathing rhetoric for people such as these? Why are you so silent on this? Are you one of them or one of us?

Where is Taxpayer? Where is Taxpayer? Where is Taxpayer?

Anonymous said...

“When people ask where we’re from,” Mr. Holden said recently, “we don’t say Queens, and we don’t say New York. We say Maspeth.”

On a recent afternoon stroll, Mr. Holden expressed appreciation for the smaller, older houses — which still predominate...

“We’re losing the charm of the neighborhood,” he said, adding, “We’ve seen some of the neighborhoods in New York City that have fallen, and we don’t want that to happen here.”


NY Times

This is soooo funny in light of what he just published.